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Microsoft buys Activision-Blizzard

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And time will tell whether it is successful or not. Like I said, we are just entering into this new GaaS world. The more players in the market, the greater the competition.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    When Netflix first started streaming it included HD in what is now the basic package and allowed more devices to stream simultaneously.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And why do they need to keep that basic price there? Competition. If Netflix had market dominance they could charge whatever they like.

    I repeat, competition keeps prices in check. If the future is GaaS, and Microsoft, Sony, Netflix, Amazon, Apple, etc are offering services then I don't see how Microsoft can have room to charge $50 pm or whatever.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Erm it was the point I am making. Why would I try to make your point for you?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Netflix basic is crap and they segmented it off into higher tiers, Netflix are also pretty much the most expensive streaming service available here for HD content, even worse in comparison if you want 4K with Disney+ being €9 and Prime Video being €6 both with 4K streaming vs €8 for Netflix in potato quality, €12 for HD and €18 for 4K.


    You argue that without competition they can charge what they want when they are already doing so. In this day and age with how modern TV's display content standard definition is not acceptable. The only reason the basic Netflix package exists is to make the middle tier look like an acceptable price despite being much higher than the competing services.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    The difference between Netflix and Xbox Gamepass is no one is buying movies from Netflix to offset their cost. Their only income is subs. People are still buying games on Xbox. Other publishers are paying them a tenner for every game sold.


    The reason Gamepass can be a loss leader is that it brings in new players. It increases the number of games they play, it gets them playing different genres, and they play longer. They are engaged more and also go on to spend more down the line.


    If you think about it, if you had someone with an Xbox and just FIFA or cod. Once they get bored of that one game, it is easy for them to not play the Xbox, not see the point of it, not buy new games and end up selling it.


    But prices will rise, Netflix, Disney, Prime are all going up in price despite competition but they are also producing much more and better quality content.

    Remember Netflix at the start, it was nothing but old box sets. You would sub for the free month every six months to binge and leave again. Now it is a constant.


    Gamepass's day ones will be incredibly enticing looking at the studios they bought. They will also still sell those games normally too.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Game pass gamers are more willing to spend on DLC and battle passes. There's a false sense that you haven't paid for the game so can afford to pay for dlc. In a way its not a false sense, if you think about it all you need to do is play 1.5 games in a year (80+40=120) and every game after that is essentially free.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lads, you can pretend economics is not real all you like.

    Actually I want to show the effect of Netflix raising their prices. Seeing as their stock price has almost *halved* in the past six months for some mysterious reason. 🤔 (This was before Ukraine)

    "Netflix Shares Sink as Company Sees Subscriber Growth Slowing

    Video streamer cites ***growing competition*** and ‘an ongoing Covid overhang’ for its membership forecast"

    Yes, raising prices can fück things up for a service in the face of competition. Even if it's just a $1 increase for basic or increasing different packages. Microsoft will face the same competition over the coming years. So no, it's not a certainty that Microsoft can raise prices at will, because *competition matters*. 👍

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Game Pass destined for failure. Lolz salty.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,964 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Netflix started at €7 a month when it launched in Ireland in 2012. No plans, no options, just €7 and you have access to everything. Now it's €15 for the same access, but as someone pointed out you can't share it as much anymore. I do look at Sony and their rumoured Spartacus pricing, and then look at GP and see the cheaper with more option, and I personally can't see how MS can continue in the long run to make it cheaper but offer more. Don't get me wrong, I have it, and it's due to renew next month so I'll totally be taking advantage of the Gold 3 year jobby. I just expect then in 3 years that it will cost a lot more than it currently does, and there won't be many ways to get it cheaper. I also see the MS points thingy entirely changing or making it even harder to get all the points, if they continue to offer GP as an option to redeem.

    Yes, MS have numerous fancy well paid highly educated biznezz people, and I'm just a country boy with no real interest in that side of it. But I do like to think I can see when something seems too good to be true, which is what I think GP currently is. I will abuse the generosity, but at the end of the day Sony still make the games I prefer most, and I prefer the DualSense to the Xbox One Series controller. But I will be the first to hold my hands up and say I was wrong, should I be wrong. But my 2 years of 5 hour long classes of business every week in 5th and 6th year (in 1999-2001) have my senses tingling!



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wasn't quoting you, hence it was not directed at you but just a general statement.

    People need to Just enjoy the bloody thing and get over the fact that it's not on playstation.

    PS will inevitably come out with a competing service. Its all good for gamers.

    People need to stop moaning and enjoy it, or don't enjoy it if you really don't want to. Nobody actually cares.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭TheRona


    So it's nothing to do with loads of people subscribing to Netflix over the last couple of years due to lockdown, and then things slowing now that the world is reopening?

    I can't read what's in the article you linked.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Netflix themselves said it's due to increased competition, not just covid. I mean, losing 50% of your companies value is huge. The market sees which way the wind is blowing, they tried to raise prices because they have little room to expand their customer base and they need to grow revenue badly, and it's not working.

    That's why their value has plummeted.

    I know this is veering off topic, so to round back to Microsoft, Game Pass has a good head start now like Netflix did, but competition is coming soon, so raising prices won't be easy with so many competitors for your customers to fly to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy


    **** quote function not working for me on mobile.

    Right, back on laptop. You quoted me... It was a natural step to assume you were addressing/countering something I said.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,879 ✭✭✭Mr Crispy




  • Administrators Posts: 53,749 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This is genuinely one of the most daftest arguments I have ever seen. Everything, everywhere, raises in price eventually.

    Playstation plus used to be free, now it costs money, ergo by the logic of this thread Playstation plus is no good. Games used to cost 30 quid, now they cost more than double that, therefore this is proof that console gaming is no good.

    Some people genuinely need to go take their heads for a wobble.



  • Administrators Posts: 53,749 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Netflix is the most expensive but it is also the best. None of the others have anywhere near as much good exclusive content.

    Netflix today is also massively different to what it was when it first launched as a streaming service. It's more expensive, a lot more than it was, but it's also a lot better than it was and still excellent value for money.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I wish people would quote posts so we'd know who is referring to what.

    Customers were tied to a console before GaaS, so once Sony or whoever got you to buy their console, they had you locked in to an extent. So yes, they could raise prices then.

    I find a lot of the misunderstanding in this thread comes from an inability (unwillingness?) to see that looking forward, console gaming as we know it is not going to continue, with GaaS inevitably on the rise. So companies being able to lock people in with a console purchase is not going to work the same way. So whatever argument that references how things worked ten years ago is irrelevant.

    In the future, having a smart TV and a Bluetooth controller is all you'll need to access the various GaaS offerings. No need for a €500 console. Hardcore gamers might still want their consoles, but casuals won't care. They just want the best deal and they represent most of the market.

    So the ability for customers to migrate between services will be as seemless as cancelling your Netflix subscription and signing up for Amazon Prime. So in the face of that competition, service providers will find it difficult to raise prices, just like Netflix is struggling to right now.

    That's the point I'm making above. I hope it's a lot clearer this time. I'm talking about GaaS. I'm not talking about how things worked on the PS3 or Xbox One because that's irrelevant, it's the old world. GaaS is the new world. My point has been about GaaS for several pages now.

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  • Administrators Posts: 53,749 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think almost everyone on the thread sees this is the way it's going, it's inevitable. As I've said many times, in future buying games will feel as alien as buying a movie or tv show or album does today.

    But the big difference is that Sony will find it a lot harder to move away from console lock-in, they are heavily reliant on it right now.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah I agree, I think Sony will cling on while Microsoft and all the new players will offer their services to every device imaginable.

    Nintendo will probably offer GaaS in 2145.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I was thinking, it's possible that if casuals migrate to GaaS we might see more powerful (and expensive) console offerings for hardcore gamers, rather than consoles dying off completely.

    What do people think of that as a theory? Or will hardcore gamers just switch to PC?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its not far fetched to expect some sort of game pass dongle coming out in the next year or two.

    There's big doubts as to whether TVs can handle the likes of game pass without some sort of dongle or using the controller to stream like stadia.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh I'm thinking in the long term there will be specialist TVs with a universal dongle built in or something.

    Like five years ago you needed that Google dongle and now Netflix, Amazon, etc are built in to even basic TVs. I think the same will happen with GaaS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭TheRona


    For me, streaming gaming is still a long way off gaming with the game locally stored on a console. It will work to capture casual gamers, perhaps. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

    You don't need any kind of 'specialist dongle' built in for streaming games. Very little local computing power is used, as you're just streaming a game console running remotely. The issue will always be required bandwidth and ping spikes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    They already have it in the works


    Microsoft now says “We’re also developing standalone streaming devices that you can plug into a TV or monitor, so if you have a strong internet connection, you can stream your Xbox experience,”



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If you live in an urban area where high speed internet is standard, then it's not that far off really. I play Game Pass streamed to my phone over WiFi sometimes and the experience is pretty good for what is still a beta service.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    I stream the for the majority of the time when playing anything on Game Pass.


    I do stream a fair bit on my phone as it suits the busy household, but I also Streamed Halo infinite on the series X recently.

    Even though my download speed is decent it would still take half an hour or so. Wasn't sure if I was going to like it so just streamed it for a few hours to see.


    Anyone in Xbox One X should stream as you get the Series X version without the €500 console.



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