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  • Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Still stihl waters 3


    Surely you'd just put in the egg, why would you go to the bother of separating the yolk from the white, or were there cooking classes running alongside the paramilitary training classes and they needed the yolks for lunch 🤔 🤣🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    I thought this was an interesting read;

    Basically saying that Russia are their own worst enemy here. Their military capability is spread across everything meaning they are not as strong as they could be in any one area, and the higher up the chain you go, the more people are in position for political reasons rather than ability.

    The Ukrainians are being armed to the teeth and are incredibly motivated so will fight until the last man, plus it's easier to defend than to attack. They just need to hang in there and the reality of economic sanctions will hit Russia like a tonne of bricks. Ukraine are playing for a score draw then extra time and penalties, Russia need 3-0 in normal time but Ukraine are already on the scoreboard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    How do drones protect our seas and skies from unfriendly aircraft and ships?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    "Better trained" is certainly questionable.

    Nuclear weapons will not "win" a ground war.

    Ukraine are defending their own territory from an invading force that is already suffering significant losses. It is far easier to defend your own territory then invade. Also 20 people charging you with knives will render your gun a bit useless in the long run.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    It will be months before the government releases a decision on that report though unfortunately



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,304 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody





  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Yes. There is currently semi- No fly zone but the other way around. Russians will shoot down anything entering there. Since ukraine is not in NATO they have no business to enter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I'm continuously suspicious of anything coming out suggesting that Russia is faring poorly. It could easily be propaganda from either side to try and change the response.

    But on the face of it, a theme is emerging. Many Russian forces were surprised by the response on Thursday. They expected very little resistance, that Ukrainian forces would just surrender and the local populations would welcome them. One whole unit that was caught in the North told the Ukrainians that they did not expect to have to do anything except talk. Their capture a complete shock.

    Two Russian soldiers were captured in one town because they ran out of fuel and went to a police station to ask to borrow some.

    An entire convoy of Russian fuel tankers travelling in the open was destroyed and with it the lead general of the "elite" Chechen military was killed.

    Just small incidents in a general display of failure. Overall speaks to a force that was ill-prepared for a fight this time, and the Red Army may in fact be considerably weaker than we've all believed.

    Several state-run media outlets in Russia were caught with their pants down yesterday. They had pre-prepared op-eds ready to be published, toasting the mastery of Putin's advance and celebrating the return of Ukraine to the Russian fold. They were swiftly deleted, but the words were unambiguous;

    Putin 100% expected to walk over Ukraine and be in complete control of Kyiv by the weekend. Whatever cash reserves and preparation Putin and his cronies put in place, were not designed to handle a prolonged conflict.

    His nuclear alert warning yesterday is posturing to a certain extent. A warning to the EU that he's watching and waiting.

    But Putin is at his most dangerous now. This was supposed to be his legacy, his swan song. His headline in the Russian history books. And it's gone disastrously wrong.

    We have to have faith that his military will not launch nuclear weapons without a clear threat - they have families that will die in nuclear war. But Putin has his own concerns - the risk of coup has never been higher. And he's built such a legacy as a brutal authoritarian, they he won't be quietly shelved. In a coup, he is a dead man, and his family is also likely to be executed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    One of the reasons China is considered a large military threat is sheer force of numbers with 2.5 million active soldiers. We tend to think of modern military as being tanks and aircraft against eachother and bodies on the ground being largely spongey, weak, pointless endeavours.

    But individual soldiers have several advantages that heavy weapons don't. 20 tanks against 100 RPG-armed soldiers are probably fvcked. Unless a country is willing to open up with war-crime level weaponry, like using napalm on ground troops, then there's a tipping point where you will lose based solely on numbers no matter how sophisticated your weaponry.

    100,000 average Ukrainian citizens armed with AK47s and molotov cocktails will make absolute sh1t of a couple of thousand well trained Russian soldiers. There's no contest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    You could be correct, just pointing out very, very, very little footage on the main Media outlets. The stuff I've seen on the Russan CA Thread is as vague , brief Twitter video clips that are probably not verified.

    I'm just making a general observation on what I believe and despite a massive media presence, is very little footage being captured.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    That’s not acceptable, it may prevent our extinction though but sanctions would remain as he’s occupying a sovereign state



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    In the context of Irish history a large number of Irish would be Russian snitches



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no massive media presence on the frontlines, it is in Kyiv for the most part.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,843 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    What is people's obsession with seeing videos, this is not about their entertainment.

    Post edited by Pete_Cavan on


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    My point generally is there is a massive media presence and not just in Kyiv, SKY news and CNN have correspondents in a number of cities as does the BBC , there's also reporters on Polish, Belarusian, Hungary and Molovian Borders and in some of thos countries also. To suggest reporting only coming from Kyiv a bit of a stretch.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Well indeed, it was shorthand for generally being in cities.

    The destroyed Russian convoys are, for the most part, not being destroyed in cities and certainly not on the Polish and Hungarian borders. There is no doubt that the Ukrainian sources are likely exaggerating elements but its a bit asinine to deny all the reports cause you haven't seen it in HD.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Russians are punishable by jail time for publicising activities or troop movements online, so there isnt widespread leaking on information on social media.

    Ukrainians are the opposite approach, publishing a lot of (necessary) propaganda for troop morale. If you only read the Ukrainian publications you would think they were winning, but look at the territorial gains and it paints a very different story. I'm sure theres also sensationalist media at play, exaggerating stories for clicks and views.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not at all sure why your referring to Russians being punished for reporting, I've made no reference to Russian Media, we all now how that functions, I'm referring to International and Trusted media's lack of reporting on how this invasion is proceeding.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Gary kk


    No Russian version are bigger. Russia likes to make big bombs



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Most reporters nowadays dont get information 1st hand - most of it will be coming from social media or "official" sources -i.e. Ukraine/Russian Dept of Defenses.

    There is little to no Russian social media videos, but plenty of Ukrainian, whch shifts the narrative somewhat. Secondly, the Russian DoD are not boasting about their wins because its a PR nightmare even if you do - an occupying force boasting about killing soldiers is not a good look, so they keep largely quiet.

    Ukrainians need to keep morale high so are posting a lot of stuff about how they are winning/capturing/telling boats to F off etc. And this feeds back to journalists.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    Perhaps better trained is questionable. However, the idea that the russians have greater numbers is likely beyond question and the possibility that ukrainians are going to overrun them with knives and molotov cocktails is ludicrous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,741 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They don't send people into the trenches anymore. We have gone from not targeting media to not caring if they get hit to actively targeting them.

    All you will get now is a guy on top of a hotel from most media sources. Don McCullin/Joao Silva type photographers are a thing of the past really. You still get the odd freelancer going in like that guy got decapitated by ISIS (which is why it's only danger junkie freelancers now)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭McGinniesta


    Who has suggested that showing footage is for entertainment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I dont regularly sit and watch Russian state propaganda broadcasts so I couldnt possibly comment.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yes they have more numbers. You generally need overwhelmingly more numbers to successful invade and, importantly, maintain control of conquered territories.

    You're entire point is rather undermined by the very existence of the country Boards is based in. It being among untold legions of other examples. Invading countries is hard, controlling them is harder. If every citizen is armed and actively fighting the invading army it is infinitely harder again. Ukraine, ultimately, are unlikely to win this war in the traditional sense but they can absolutely bleed Russia to the point that in 10 years time they are independent and stronger and Russia are weaker. However, thinking that an armed and unruly citizenry is not likely to make a massive difference is a poor takeaway from history.

    Also, generally speaking, people don't like being invaded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Not sure why people want or expect to see more coverage of death and destruction on msm - there’s plenty floating around social media with telegram being a popular enough one. It’s there if you want to go look for it.

    I’m also not sure why it’s brought up again and again ? Do people feel that lack of coverage of dead bodies on msm is indicative that this is a massive hoax ? That the EU , UK , US , NATO , UN have been hoodwinked into spending billions of dollars on aid and tanked the economy of a country on a pretext ?

    I was recommended a very interesting book on here during the build up - War in 140 characters - charting the role social media has played and will play in war based on a number of conflicts since 2011. Well worth a read and will go a long way to explaining the issue of msm coverage versus coverage on Social Media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭liamtech



    I think we can argue that this is pure desperation on the part of Lukashenko - he would clearly feel that if Russia fails, and perhaps Putin Falls (or stumbles) - his days are numbered - he is really only in power due to being backed by Moscow.


    Also one could only speculate on the standard of military support Minsk could actually offer. And the loyalty of said forces would also (imho) be in doubt. Its one thing for Belarusian people to have to remain silent at home. Sending a division of armed Belarusians abroad, where they are likely to be filmed by western media - could be a tricky proposition

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭liamtech


    The war in Iraq (both of them) and Afghanistan, were led by Western military's who had western journalists embedded with the invading spearheads - footage of actual combat was therefore readily available. However if you recall, you saw very little in the way of Iraqi coverage of the conflict. they were being invaded and may have had more on their minds than providing televised coverage


    In this situation the Ukraine is the country being invaded. We see what the journalists (who are in safe spaces, or at least hope they are) are able to transmit. What you should (imho) take away from the lack of footage is this:

    Where is the dramatic footage of successful Russian liberators? Where are the images of battle hardened Russian hero's fighting? The fact there is no such footage, does not indicate that nothing is being recorded. More indicative of the fact that what is being captured, is Failure - or in Politburo terms - 'Unsuitable for consumption by the General Public'


    Also, in all honesty - i question the nature of complaining that we arent getting to watch what may well be a bloodbath of human suffering -

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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