What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

”People who have lived here through thick and thin and made this country what it is today despite its ills”…

Of course you understand that every Irish citizen has a choice as to whether they wish to stay or emigrate in search of a better life for themselves and their families? I was faced with that same choice over 20 years ago, and I made the choice to stay rather than emigrate. It wasn’t out of some misguided notion of patriotism that I chose to stay, it was simply because I just didn’t fancy the idea of trying to settle in any other country. I figure a bit like yourself I could create a better life for myself here rather than elsewhere, and that same idea flows forward into ensuring that anyone coming here has every support they need to create a better life for themselves here when they’re trying to settle in what to them is another country.

You mentioned earlier based upon your calculations from a newspaper article written in 2019 that in 2018 the number of people deported in that year was 10. I did read the article, and it’s as all over the place as you are. They’re engaging in the same sort of fudging figures and definitions that it’s not surprising anyone reading it would come to the conclusion that there is little difference in law between asylum seekers and refugee status. There is though, and demonstrably so when I can present figures of the actual number of people who were refused entry beyond our borders and deported in 2018 -

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• 5,028 people were deported/removed from Ireland in 2018 including:
  • 4,797 persons refused entry into Ireland at ports of entry and returned to the place from where they had come.
  • 163  unsuccessful asylum applicants and irregular migrants who were deported.
  • 68 EU nationals returned to their countries of origin on foot of an EU Removal Order.
• 213 people returned voluntarily of which 91 were assisted by the International Organization for Migration.
• 22 asylum seekers were transferred under the Dublin Regulation to the EU Member State in which they first applied for asylum.

https://emn.ie/immigration-in-ireland-in-2018/

No control of our borders? No screening? I don’t think so! 🤔

As for the idea of voting rights being tied to citizenship, well even setting aside the fact that it’s fair to say there is little difference between asylum seekers and refugees in terms of their voting rights, the very idea of encouraging immigrants to obtain citizenship is precisely for the reasons you’re suggesting - that they establish roots here and are encouraged to participate in, and contribute to Irish society. It was indeed ironic when it was pointed out at the time that at the same time as Irish citizens were being asked to vote in a referendum on the legal status of immigrants in Ireland, asylum seekers and refugees were being granted the right to vote in local elections -

https://www.unhcr.org/en-ie/news/latest/2004/4/40925f804/ireland-grants-refugees-asylum-seekers-right-vote.html

20 years later and this country is still not even within an asses roar of being overrun by Sharia Law or any of the rest of your scaremongering nonsense. It’s gone in exactly the opposite direction of being in thrall to the craw-thumping fcukwits who demonised all sorts of groups in society and tried to ensure people remained ignorant by controlling every facet of Irish society from education and healthcare to welfare, and that was just the British Government! The Catholic Hierarchy took over the management of Ireland where the British left off.

Another poster earlier mentioned Paddy Pearse’s oration at the funeral of another member of the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and it was in that context that he said he envisioned Ireland not just being Gael or free, not just being free or Gael, but being free and Gael, or rhetoric to that effect anyway. The point was to get the Irish people fired up for war. The attempt to whip people up into a frenzy worked at least; the rebellion not so much (‘‘twas over in a week, bar the shouting) -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_unfree_shall_never_be_at_peace

The Catholic Hierarchy still have plenty of influence and power in this country, and because of the influence of both European colonists spreading Christianity and the British Monarchs in particular spreading THEIR influence across the globe, your fearmongering about globalism I think it’s fair to say is rather outdated, but given it happened generations ago and you’ve assimilated accordingly, I don’t think your arguments have anything to do with promoting Irish culture or anything to do with democracy or anything else. You don’t appear to give a damn about Irish society or Irish people.

Unsurprisingly it simply comes down to self-preservation, and in order to maintain your position, you have to attempt to portray anyone else who doesn’t share your ideas, as an enemy of the people. That’s why you think anyone should care about some random YouTuber with an avatar of Enoch Powell presenting some local councillor in Finglas as representative of anything, or the article in a rag I wouldn’t wipe my arse with as representative of anything, and claim that’s why they poll poorly.

Surely by using that same logic, it stands to reason that you actually shouldn’t have any fears whatsoever about Sharia Law or overturning a Constitutional amendment any time soon? It follows from that then, that knowing you have nothing to fear, all you’re doing is fearmongering by telling people they should be careful what they wish for as if it should be interpreted as some sort of threat to democracy. The only person who wishes to deprive anyone of the opportunity to participate in democracy, is you (and a few others, to be fair), by depriving people of the right to vote.

Happy to see people in actual danger avail of the system.

You almost sound sincere and all 🙄

What’s being said is that the explanation for the absence of men among refugees and asylum seekers in this instance, is that Ukraine has banned men from leaving the country.

There was nothing said about what other countries do or don’t do during war or at any other time. It was @Fandymo who was making the original comparison.

Which countries banned 18-60 year old men from leaving? The country with the biggest number of migrants we have is Poland. As an EE migrant yourself, how do you feel about the Gemma O Doherty fans on here who specifically wish you to be out of the country and lament the fact that as a migrant you have contributed to the housing crisis amongst other things, according to their warped world view

"Ireland will put no limit on the number of refugees it will welcome from Ukraine, Mr Varadkar said, predicting the number could be in the thousands or tens of thousands" - Varadkar

Whilst I do have sympathy for these people fleeing war I can't help but see the disaster this would be.

On this planet there have been around 10,000 deaths as a result of wars in the last year alone

There are around 18 armed conflicts on the planet on various scales.

Also, should we look too at famines in the Congo, South Sudan, Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger… over 100 million people impacted by these famines…. Repatriation of some of those people ?

we literally cannot solve these problems, we can do a ‘bit’ but we need to remain vigilant that we enable the wellbeing of taxpayers here…before anyone else.