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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Are Russia trying to overwhelm Ukraine with POWs?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    He could pull out, leave Ukraine to be independent with all its land, and pose for a photo with Zelensky thanking him for the training exercise. He controls the media in Russia and they could run with another false story no problem.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Literally no one here has ever thought that. Literally no one.

    It’s about slowing putin up so that there is a chance that international pressure brings him to the negotiating table and Ukraine can limit their territorial losses to the eastern regions, rather than just capitulating and letting putin just have Ukraine in its entirety. Maybe it doesnt work…but there is not a single person anywhere, except in your head, who thinks that Ukraine can defeat Russia in a war

    Saying things like “the Ukrainian people will win” doesn’t mean they will win the current shooting war. Putin can crush Ukraine any time it wants through flattening the place. But he still loses



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,184 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Listening to a few Russia Today podcasts and it's very interesting to see the contrast in how the war is being reported from the Russian side and in Europe. There's really no room for subtleties in our sides retelling of the story.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The Ukrainians don't necessarily have to "defeat" the Russian military. They can make it untenable for those forces to stay in Ukraine. Demoralise enemy soldiers (many of whom don't seem too keen on this), Russian vehicles and armor suffer attrition (many videos of them breaking down and running out of fuel). Ukraine is receiving thousands of anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft missiles and light arms, enough to support a constant resistance. Also it's one of the largest European countries, very difficult for the Russians to hold such a land mass, very difficult without taking the cities. Even if they take a city, then what? if there is constant attacks and resistance it will be impossible to administrate it. Also the Ukrainians will never support any puppet control.

    The whole time this is happening, Russia itself is under massive economic pressure, the deaths and casualties and images from this filtering through the censors and reach Russians themselves. Internal dissent could form against Putin. Mass protests could erupt.

    It's a very tough position, but Russia by no means "has this in the bag" at all.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Based on the last negotiations it doesnt seem theres much appetite for that.

    The Ukrainian delegation demanded the return of Crimea!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Yes but it will take months of attrition, massive loss of life.


    If 150k Russia troop go in to Kiev it is too few to hold a city of 3 million for any period of time.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, the primary goal for Russia should not be to worry about a non existent threat from NATO, but that their citizens will be rummaging in garbage cans for food.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Of course, we shouldn't make the mistake of assuming that they're always right. But considering that US intelligence was warning of an imminent Russian invasion while even the Ukrainians were denying it and saying the comments were "unhelpful", it would certainly be a big mistake to not give a lot of weight to what the US is saying.

    I get the feeling that Russia has made the mistake of believing a lot of its own propaganda. They've spent a decade funding lies about the EU being a big bumbling, bureaucratic nightmare. Inefficient, over-reaching, fractured, undemocratic. Culminating in the Russian success of Brexit. None of it is true. It may have been, 20 years ago. But the EU has been continuously reforming since Lisbon to become a more efficient institution. The response we've seen from the EU over the last week isn't some massive departure from normal business, or violation of its own processes. It's a level of efficiency that has been built into the EU over a decade. It responded with speed and efficiency for Covid. Not fast enough for some maybe, but 27 independently sovereign countries moving in lockstep takes some doing.

    Putin has underestimated the EU, partially because he believed the bullsh1t he was spreading about it.

    He doesn't have an out, which is what makes this very dangerous. If he pulls back, then domestically he is fvcked. He will have to tighten down the bolts even harder to avoid losing everything. His only "out" at this stage is a win in Ukraine, whatever it takes. He may not be willing to drop nukes to get there, but nothing else will be off-limits. And it needs to be fast, because his country is only weeks away from an uprising if nobody can get paid or buy food.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭tigger123




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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Did you even read the comment I replied to? I was asked how drugged up Russia are going to win this war. How is that not questioning who is going to win???



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    As I have repeated multiple times already, long term Russia can not control Ukraine. Too big a population and country.

    But they will take control for a period at least. They will topple the current government.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Pussyhands is only looking at this through the lens of the current shooting war when they are talking about winning and losing. Most people know that it is much broader than that



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think the enclaves in the south-east would still count as a civil war. To be honest, while those self-declared republics in the Donbas existed and there was still low-level fighting, and Russia occupied a part of Ukraine's internationally-recognised territory, I never saw EU or NATO accession being on the cards for Ukraine anyway. It would have required Ukraine to act in some way, for example by ceding those territories and making a clean break of it, or going in and attempting to clear out the enemy. In either case, both these scenarios would have been better for Russia than the current one which makes them look totally paranoid and irrational, and has rendered them a pariah.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Not sure on the numbers but looking at the last election, the Pro Russian party only got about 2 million votes. 50% turnout so maybe there's a large number of Russians who don't recognise Ukraine elections?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Those two are at risk of going down in history as the Russian Keitel and Jodl.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Does the Ukrainian government stay in power while Russia army goes back to Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Attached to your post is a picture (also on the RTE website main page today) of the 65 km Russian convoy approaching Kyiv. Vehicles are closely packed together and sometime side-by-side along the road. They look very vulnerable to attack, even (or especially?) from RPGs, Javelins etc. I really hope the Ukrainians take advantage of this.

    A pity they can't get some A10s.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Looking at it now, should NATO have made concessions on admitting Ukraine to NATO. Russia did try the diplomatic route since 2008 but they got no assurances that Ukraine wouldn't be accepted and if they were, there would be no missiles and bases in Ukraine. You know NATO can preach their principles of their "open doors policy" but we have spent centuries doing deals to keep peace, the world is not always black or white.

    Does the ordinary person in the Ukraine, really care about been in NATO, they just want to live in peace.

    I keep thinking, what would the US do if Mexico allowed Russian bases and missiles on the US/Mexico border?

    We have lived in peace in the western world for so long, do we have a blinkered view of how fragile it may actually be.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Isn't it the same picture. Is it even logistically possible to get a 65km convoy this packed together? I'd need more evidence of this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭josip


    The Ukraine government will relocate westwards to Lviv and continue to administer free Ukraine from there. The supply lines from Poland and other European countries by then will be sufficiently strong for the Ukrainians to hold out in Western Ukraine for considerably longer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,475 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Ukraine could well end up turning into an Afghanistan or Vietnam for Russia.

    Alongside Russia being turned into a massive, isolated, North Korea.

    Putin is a headbanger. He wouldn't be allowed to stay in power indefinitely by those around him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Belarussians are invading on the northwesternmost side near Brest allegedly, which is probably to secure that western border with Poland and intercept arms and munitions.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You think this is the reason Putin has invaded Ukraine? Look up the word Pretext in the dictionary.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 51,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Except the reserves had actually been transferred to euro and are now frozen.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Yep. I only thought of the google translate late last night. Also , ‘google images’ connected to those businesses with some inserted translated hard hitting text could be uploaded for maximum effect. (Maybe even more impactful) , the more that are awakened the better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭wylo


    There probably is a point that some concessions should have been considered from December onwards. US knew they were going to invade. They warned everyone and it doesnt seem like anyone truly believed it. I know hindsight is 20/20 but Russia spent the bones of a year building up troops. December or January was probably the time to have real talks about Ukraine joining NATO. Putin may have taken a concessions/guarantees. It may have least bought more time until Putin begins to resign or even die from ill health or something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    just choose any big multinational business and type their name and “Moscow” in google and if they’ve a location there it’ll show in the search results under business listings. Click their business listing and it’ll display their reviews. Then click to leave your “review’.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There was a summit planned, which could have discussed this topic... where one of things that could have been discussed would be an agreement on what kinds of missiles and weapons could be stationed in bordering states Ukraine, maybe Baltic States, Belarus, Kalingrad ... if Ukraine were admitted to NATO. If that was Putin's real concern it could have been achieved by diplomacy.

    The Ukranian people don't just want to live in 'peace' if peace also means subject to Russian control over which they have no say whether through puppet rulers or soldiers, anymore than the people of Poland, Hungary, Baltics etc did during the Cold War.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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