Amnesty scheme for undocumented migrants in Ireland

In the history of this planet, there has never existed a time where this earth of ours was without…

war

tyranny

weather / climate problems

earthquakes, natural catastrophe

poverty

injustice

etc…never free of the above

And we won’t or it’s unlikely because of the way the world is divided up, human nature, human vulnerability, things outside human control or influence ….these things that they’ll be eradicated fully ? Never.

so the haves will always be expected to bail out the have nots ? sacrifice their/our wellbeing…

From 2017-2020, around 17,000 people were granted asylum here.

an average of 5700 per year

that an average of or a possible average of if you are to use these reliable trends of 57,000 people per decade…

cant sustain that and still provide the best to our citizens… impossible..

If we are to add an amnesty in addition ? We can’t….

we’ll never see a second metro line or other important capital projects funded… just not happening..

I did not ask if you were my secretary. I asked you to back up your claims of the "many" posters objecting to "folks fleeing war from other countries (Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc). Its as if only certain wars in certain places with refugees of a certain ethnicity are deemed worthy"

Something not surprisingly you've utterly failed to do. Fine but it's always best to lay off with the lazy generalisations.

Yes. Those who are preselected from UNHCR camps typically have a 100% success rate. For instance, several hundred Syrians were approved from the Moria refugee camp on the Greek islands within that last couple of years. These people have been background checked and their narrative vetted, before being flown to Ireland. I don’t believe anybody has an issue accepting a limited number of legitimate cases of this nature annually. Similarly, my sense is that people are open to accommodating those Ukrainians who decide to shelter here.

However, what does sit uneasily with many Irish people is the blatant subversion of the asylum system by spurious claimants. This has been happening since the late ‘90s, with numbers peaking in 2001 and 2002, when the jus soli citizenship loophole was ruthlessly exploited, particularly by Nigerians. In recent times, there has been an unexpected spike in applications from Albania and Georgia, the overwhelming majority of which have proved to be unfounded.

It’s clear that attempts to abuse the international protection system are not confined to a particular ethnicity or racial group. Spurious applicants come from very diverse origins. Most people want them processed rapidly and removed if their claim proves unfounded, regardless of their background. The disingenuous attempts of several posters to insinuate that this thinking is racially motivated, is both false and disgusting. Frankly, it’s simply par for the course for a particularly vocal poster on this thread.

Last point I will make is that the winds of change have started blowing back against irregular migration across Europe. Let’s look at some of our EU partners. Denmark has set a target of zero asylum seekers. Macron is amping up the rhetoric against migration, due to competition from political forces on the right. The Visegrad 4 have been steadfast in their refusal to admit migrants. Anybody who doesn’t believe that Brexit was underpinned by concerns around migration, is living in a fantasy. Even the self proclaimed ‘humanitarian superpower’ Sweden has tightened migration channels.

Ireland typically regresses to the mean as change sweeps across Europe. We will quickly fall into line. We just happen to have two particularly poor and shortsighted politicians with their hands on the levers of powers at the moment. McEntee and O’Gorman are temporary figures. As the number of dubious asylum claims grows, due to pull factors like ‘own door accommodation’ and amnesties, sanity will prevail and measures will be put in place to stem the flow again. The future politicians who implement these policies will of course be roundly condemned by some of the edge cases who inhabit these threads. However, as the 2004 birthright citizenship referendum demonstrated, the majority of the Irish people support decisions grounded in logic, that supports their best interests.

Are all Ukrainians white? Like the triple jumper Sheryf-El-Sheryf?

Like I said above, a disingenuous allegation grounded on nothing. Pretty standard for you though, isn’t it Joey?

What are the guaranteed positives for Irish citizens?

I can think of many guaranteed negatives, it would be great if we could get a list of positives and compare.

Illegal immigrants that is, I think its great we are helping out ukraine.

Eventually Ireland's membership of the CTA and even the EU will mean there will have to be an intervention as the siituation gets materially out of hand. And Ireland is the weakest link in the chain.

But a lot of damage can be done by the likes of McEntee, Varadkar and O'Gorman in the meantime.

That offence started 2002 till 2009, surely you can find something more current.

Pretty much. What’s the endgame to all this? Buy every hotel in the state to house asylum seekers, a high % of whom have no legitimate claim to being here? Continue using Irish tax payers money to facilitate chancers?

Zero planning, zero logic, and zero benefits to this country and its people. It’s the product of having truly inadequate people at the helm, in the shape of McEntee and O’Gorman. The only positive is that the true extent of their incompetence will reveal itself as the ‘system’ is overwhelmed. The question is how much damage can they inflict on this country before they are handed their arses?

I tell you, I'd be fairly harsh on any forms of illegal immigration to the country and equally bogus asylum seekers. Some would find that harsh and try to label me.

But I'll tell you, I'm very proud of how our state is removing barriers to the people fleeing Ukraine to be able to come here and find support comfort and safety as much as is possible.

And this is exactly what the asylum system was supposed to be. I'm fully supportive of the government plans to open our door and bring them in.

If I had space in the house I'd take in a few if it was necessary but I don't have the space. That doesn't mean I won't get involved locally and help out if/ when the people start arriving.

These are the type of thing we should be opening the door and rolling out the red carpet for. Genuine refugees fleeing war.

We should not be wasting resources on every chancer who can pool together 5k to get here and spoof their way to being impossible to remove. If we were more diligent in this regard, just think of how much the state could really do to help Ukrainians and others seeking genuine refuge from wherever they're fleeing.

On about building modular homes on state land to accommodate the influx. Good to know that we can sort out other people and not our own with the housing crisis.