Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

It would not be beyond precident for a war of Ukranian liberation to be fought from foreign soil - even NATO soil. Could Russia view this as NATO war with Russia. Yes, if they choose to. Will they Choose to? I dont know

Did the US view Chinese and Russian support for the VietCong, as said states actively entering the VietNam War? No

Did Russia view Afghanistan being armed by the CIA as War? No

A proxy war is likely (and it is a horrid prospect) - but Russia can decide how they react to a border conflict, or Ukrainian Patriots fighting from Foreign soil - and if they want to escalate they would need to be 100% SURE they are willing to accept the consequences

ALSO: Volodymyr Zelenskyy just finished speaking to the EU Parliament, and i admit fully, i am teared up - . GLORY TO UKRAINE - ETERNAL GLORY

Its one thing being armed from foreign soil, but to conduct raids over the border if the border itself is shut by Russia is a different story and absolutely would be grounds for escalation with Poland.

Not only would that bolster support for Putin in Russia, they would likely retaliate by flattening Ukrainian cities. Grozny 2.0

Presumably that's the end of any so called peace talks. How can you possibly frame that whilst simultaneously apparently increasing attacks on Ukrainian cities and then joining up with Russian forces. They really are a despicable bunch of liars.

The only hope will be a terrorism campaign from inside Ukraine if the country falls

Where would they refuel and rearm?

Again there are some valid points here but your main thesis (correct me if i am wrong), that Western Military aide will cease at some point - I cannot see that happening - this has escalated to the point where politically, it would be inconceivable for the west to pack up and go home.

Now in terms of Russia choosing to view external western military aide as 'West declaring war' - TBH anything is possible but i doubt he will. This will devolve into a proxy war. Free Ukraine Supported by the west will end up in a protracted conflict with Russia, Belarus, and possibly 'DPR-UKRAINE-Puppet' -

Actually your point on the Aircraft is well made - i had questions on that myself but seemingly the aircraft involved are capable of 'rough terrain' take off and landing - so what the Ukraine Needs is not airfields - Its 'relatively flat land' (which if i remember my geography, will not be a problem) - confirmed in my video link from ED NASH YT analysis of Eurofighter Questions - i posted yesterday, if permitted i will post again but you should be able to find the link

As to using NATO airstrips - again you have to count on subterfuge and meandering statements. Perhaps Ukrainian fighters will be 'in distress' and 'need to land' - and the only open airstrip will be in the west. etc etc - My point is Russia is distorting the reality of the situation as par for the course - The west will too, in time. Russia will have a decision to make as to whether they choose to escalate given these realities - But even a threat to escalate, would be an escalation.

Well i feel sorry for the average Belarusian - they protested the last 'election' - and unfortunately nothing happened beyond a brief flurry of finger pointing.

As for the regime. IMHO it has ceased to be a state now, it is a Satellite, nothing Minsk says, or does, can be viewed as anything other than Putins orders

We have been told they do yes - and there is the possibility of volunteer pilots etc -

i saw a post elsewhere that parts, tools, and components for said aircraft, have also been supplied - but i am unable to confirm this on ANY NEWS CHANNEL! - that said, i would not be surprised - at a basic level there is no point in Poland (or the other states sending aircraft), in maintaining a supply of 'spare mig components' if they no longer possess any Migs!

IN relation to your questions on the capability of these aircraft, ALL have been upgraded to NATO STANDARDS - which is a definite plus.

In terms of effectiveness, i honestly can only go on what i heard from the various reports, and Ed Nash's analysis video

I view Nash as a decent source on all things aircraft related - i should also point out that his analysis from 24 hours ago, was spot on in terms of models, numbers, etc - so this is a useful video if you fancy watching - also he explains the rough take off // landing i mentioned earlier

The big problem would be air defences or a lack thereof. Supposedly most of Ukrainian air defences were knocked out, not sure if that is actually the case, and plenty of MANPADs would have been moved into the west over the border. However if Russians have vehicular air defenses in place it will make life very difficult for Ukrainian air force.

Until Poland grounded their Mig-29s in 2021, I believe they had been producing most/all of their own spares.

The problem with the Mig-29s is their limited onboard radar and the Russian SU-27s can engage them beyond their range.

In theory they could - Nash speculates that the donating countries will probably offload their supplies of Russian ordinance too - so ammunition should not be a problem. The issue will be numbers - Although it remains possible that the UAF will launch small scale air attacks on outlying Russian Units. Of course the russians will respond - its a terrible sequence of events

We could speculate that the UAF and Ukrainian forces will simply try to inflict as much damage as they can, to slow Russian advances and retard their mobility - birdges, roads, rail lines (which may be compromised in several areas) - we really dont know - we can just hope at this stage -

I mentioned earlier the obscene spectacle of Lavrov issuing a statement about the situation - which was garbage in my view - anyway, found a link - its rather detestable but have a look if you wish

What like what else could they do. Really like I said infrastructure not people. Can't see how it could make think worse for them. I think maybe Russia was wait for such action. And that's why they did fully commit at first.

Russian News agency TASS has confirmed Fighters story from Russia - they however include this:

"If necessary, they can be stationed on Polish airfields, from which Ukrainian pilots will perform combat missions," 

Includes same statement - but i cannot tell whether they got this quote from TASS - I think i will wait for the BBC or SKY (or CNN) to confirm this story, it could be an exaggeration by TASS to whip up anti western feeling

Well given the promise of Jets, and the announcements which i cited - i read the following

NATO JETS - No

NATO Air Strips - Ambiguous but i will say NO for now

UAF JETS which originate from NATO Members - Yes (given prior statements repeatedly covered and cited - if you want to be pedantic - ambiguous but this would involve a change of direction from the statements made yesterday, cited by myself and others on this forum - it would be a reversal )

"However, we are not going to send any jets to the Ukrainian airspace." - i genuinely take this to be the calls for a No Fly Zone - which was never really an option i am sure you would agree

Unless there is a clear unambiguous statement, Jets are being provided to the UAF - these jets are therefore NOT NATO jets, NOT flown by Nato Pilots; they could therefore be said to be 'Aircraft of the Ukrainian Airforce

Its not clear at all really - but my take is that an airplane, formerly NATO, handed to a UAF pilot, and flying into the conflict is No Longer a NATO aircraft - so - that is my take, but its a strange statement i will grant you