Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Yes, the podcast also pointed out that the Soviets had a triple lock around nuclear launches requiring military, KGB and party leader to agree but maybe Putin can just order it more directly.

I think only a spectacular loss in Ukraine now or a grinding bloody failure over years could end their dictatorship now. Newsnight were saying that most Russians are apathetic so even if they knew all the details of the conflict now they just wouldn't bother protesting. It was very bleak.

Not relevant to the thread. But one of my favourite random interesting facts. The 10th President of the USA was born in 1790.

His grandson is still alive (or at least was the last time I checked). His brother died back about 18 months ago.

You know that scene in inglorious basterds with the finger counting. same story for putinbots and their use of “Gaelic”.

No, when it gets left to a smaller amount of people then sabotage can occur.

I reckon at least 3-4 people have the codes at high levels then the codes would be under lock and key at a submarine, missile silo. Then ultimately, somebody in the silo/sub will have to make the decision, whilst surrounded by people.

Just seen the footage from around the TV tower struck in Kiev earlier. Obviously too graphic to post but really horrible.

5 civilians were killed because the fckers missed.

But we’ve heard Putin is willing to let 50,000 soldiers die at least in the first phase.

Why do you think losses of 5,500 if true will effect an army after 1 Week???

The fact you think the Russian army who are just as patriotic as the Ukrainians and have listened to Putin for 20 years will suddenly loose morale all of a sudden, well I don’t know what to tell you.

They have been planning and preparing for this for years.

Unfortunately it’s going to end one way unless boots on the ground intervene.

Another thing the West needs to remember is that there appears to be a lot of young conscripted kids in the Russian army. Inexperienced and not very well trained.

They're not going to be inexperienced after using Ukraine as a training ground for a few weeks. If they're gonna go on to try to roll into somewhere else then the next country might be dealing with a much worse situation.

Which makes it even more important that it ends in Ukraine and as soon as possible.

The probem with the entirety of that is presuming Russia has a right to dictate to other countries, what they can and can't do. Putin and his appologists are a laugh. The narrative is that the west should have listened to and believed Putin's threats: someone who didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of Litvinenko, didn't have anything to do with the poisoning of the Skripals, a policeman and the murder of Dawn Sturgess, didn't use a nerve agent called Novichok to commit those crimes, and who absolutely was not going to invade Ukraine, several times. Russia guaranteed the security and soverignty of Ukraine if they gave up their nuclear weapons, which they did

Putin is a serial liar and his word means nothing, and yet it's our fault for not believing him? Explain how that works?

We've bent over for Putin time and time again.

Litvenenko

Salisbury

Crimea

MH317

Not once was he taken to task and he escalates each time. Just like they stood back and watched Hitler in the 30s hoping it wouldn't affect the west. 6 million Jews and millions of Europeans of all faiths, races and nationalities wiped out because we delayed in facing down a headcase.

And once again we're back here except this time we get to watch it live on TV.

I understand it's difficult and dangerous for Russians to stand up to Putin. But he's their cúnt, not Ukraine's. So it's up to them to fix the mess they've created. Why should Ukrainian kids be killed because Russians haven't yet stood up to Putin in sufficient numbers?

In hindsight, given where we are now, is there anything to be read into Russia's exercises off the Irish coast?

Or was it just a genuine jolly down the wild Atlantic Way for some war games?