Leinster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread XII (The Byrne Supremacy)

salmocab · 28-02-2022 1:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118707903#Comment_118707903

The majority certainly don’t have that opinion, but I haven’t as yet made myself a spokesperson for the majority. I can only really offer my own opinion on things until such time as I’m given the job.

jimdemp · 28-02-2022 7:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118703792#Comment_118703792

So why did they need to bring in Lancaster if everything was going so well? Cullen was on the way out until Lancaster came in a turned things around.

durthacht · 28-02-2022 8:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710279#Comment_118710279

Why did they need to hire a good coach? Why would they not?

Every elite club has a team of coaches and Leinster had a vacancy, so they hired Lancaster to replace McQuilkin. To infer that reflects badly on Cullen seems irrational.

To say Cullen was on his way out seems just empty speculation.

durthacht · 28-02-2022 8:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118704371#Comment_118704371

You can't reasonably isolate that as the only relevant factor. From memory, the O'Connor team performed poorly in the league and were reaching the end of their cycle so the dip in 16 was the start of a new team that was becoming more settled in 17 when performance improved again - so that could be part of the reason for performance variations.

Team performance is influenced by multiple factors, and it doesn't make sense to assume a single one is the only causal factor.

The balance of the current coaching team is successful, so I don't see how it makes sense to criticise the head coach who has led this transformation since 15.

Dubinusa · 28-02-2022 8:39pm

This weekend is a must win! All weekends are, but it's concerning that Leinster are struggling to put away average sides.

While I really rate the coaching team, I think they've gone of the boil a little.

We really should be capable of going to Benetton and getting the bonus points!

jimdemp · 28-02-2022 8:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710475#Comment_118710475

You obviously are a new Leinster fan who doesn't remember pre Lancaster.

Burkie1203 · 28-02-2022 8:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710279#Comment_118710279

Coaches move around all the time for a variety of reasons.

McQuilkin left, replaced by Lancaster

Dempsey left for Bath a few years ago and was replaced by Felipe

Cullen was bot on his way out, 3 weeks into the season, when Lancaster arrived

TRC10 · 28-02-2022 9:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710475#Comment_118710475

You must be new around here

We generally don't reply to Jimdemps

The guy has never made a good point or coherent argument in this forum

jimdemp · 28-02-2022 9:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710550#Comment_118710550

McQuilkin was just a defence coach so if you think Lancaster is leinsters defence coach im wasting my time lol

durthacht · 28-02-2022 9:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710685#Comment_118710685

Lancaster was originally hired to cover the defence brief, and it was later expanded.

And nope, I'm not a new Leinster fan as I bought my first season ticket over ten years ago.

durthacht · 28-02-2022 9:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710660#Comment_118710660

Thanks for the advice. Time to step away I think.

Burkie1203 · 28-02-2022 9:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118710685#Comment_118710685

And? So Leinster hired a replacement for an outgoing coach and re-jigged their coaching responsibilities over time.

I also never said Lancaster was hired as defence coach, but he was hired when McQuilkin left.

Great to see you accept Cullen wasn't on his way out too.

Nigzcurran · 28-02-2022 10:57pm

Please stop quoting him as I have him blocked but he shows up when quoted! It’s torture 😁

arsebiscuits1 · 01-03-2022 11:38am

Assuming Harry wont feature this weekend although he wasn't mentioned in the injury update.

Positive to get JOB, Molony and Larmour back this week

Team relatively picks itself with the exception of one or 2 spaces:

Dooley, Tracy, Ala'alatoa

Molony, McCarthy

Ruddock, Deegan, Penny

McGrath, R Byrne

ROL, Osborne

Larmour, JOB, TOB

Cronin, E Byrne, Vakh, Toner, Leavy, McCarthy, Hawkshaw, A Byrne

I think Penny had a super game when he came on at the weekend and he's having a very strong season. Harsh to drop Dan but I'm preferring Penny at 7 at the moment and no need to shoe horn Dan elsewhere for the start when we have great options there.

Hawkshaw in for 10 cover.

Bennetton shipped a heavy defeat at home to Sharks and they're as hard hit by 6N as we are. Unsure if they're getting any players back.

With that thought in mind it might be the case we see some newer caps rather than wily veterans. Soroka could see himself at 19 and possibly a debut for one of the Academy hookers - although I think an academy hooker debut this season would coincide with Dev also being on the bench for obvious reasons.

salmocab · 01-03-2022 1:42pm

TOB signed a new contract. Seems like another day of 3 announcements made. It’s a nonsense way to do it.

Dubinusa · 01-03-2022 3:47pm

I reckon that Penny should get as many starts as possible. He should get a contract asap. Leavy and Connors are having disasters with injuries. Connors has played 25 times for Leinster! And 6 or 7 times for Ireland! He's 26 and has played so little. Penny has played more for Leinster than either of these boys over the last year or so.

Surely Penny is worth investing in. He's young and dynamic and is very good. I would prefer keeping him over the others and will Leavy or Connors get back to their previous standard?

Adam Byrne will be released, imo. There's too many good young and cheaper players available. I can see him going abroad. It will be interesting to see who gets promoted up from the academy? I reckon this years intake will be small. A smaller squad and less need. This would provide other provinces with an opportunity to select Leinster players into their academies. Looking at the u20's, I can't see too many getting into Leinster's academy. Good players all but there's less of a need for large intakes.

Bogwoppit · 01-03-2022 4:52pm

New contract for Larmour announced too.

Wegians89 · 01-03-2022 7:03pm

Doris not getting a central contract is nearly as mad as JVDF

Lsdrugbyfan · 01-03-2022 8:37pm

Latest

LH Prop

Cian Healy(34/Belvedere/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2022

Ed Byrne(28/Clongowes/UCD) - signed contract in 2022

Peter Dooley(27/Birr RFC/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

Andrew Porter(26/St. Andrews/UCD) - central contract until 2025

Michael Milne(23/Birr RFC-Roscrea/UCD) - signed contract in 2022

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Marcus Hanan(21/Clane RFC/Old Belvedere) - Academy Yr 2

Jack Boyle(19/St. Michaels/UCD) - Academy Yr 1

TH Prop

Michael Alaalatoa(30) - signed contract in 2021

Tadhg Furlong(29/New Ross RFC/Clontarf) - central contract until 2025

Vakh Abdaladze(26/Coolmine RFC/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2022

Tom Clarkson(22/Blackrock/DUFC) - signed contract in 2021

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Temi Lasisi(20/Enniscorthy/Lansdowne) - Academy Yr 1

Hooker

Sean Cronin(35) - signed 1 yr contract in 2021

James Tracy(30/Newbridge/UCD) - signed 2yr contract in 2021

Ronan Kelleher(24/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2021

Dan Sheehan(23/Clongowes/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

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John McKee(22/Campbell/Old Belvedere) - Academy Yr 2

Lee Barron(21/St. Michaels/DUFC) - Academy Yr 1

Lock

Devin Toner(35/Castleknock/Lansdowne) - signed 1 yr contract in 2021

Ross Molony(27/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

Jason Jenkins(26) - signed contract in 2022

James Ryan(25/St. Michaels/UCD)- central contract until 2023

Jack Dunne(23/St. Michaels/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020

Ryan Baird(22/St. Michaels/DUFC) - signed contract in 2020

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Charlie Ryan(23/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 3

Brian Deeny(21/Wexford RFC/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 3

Joe McCarthy(20/Blackrock/DUFC) - Academy Yr 2

Backrow

Rhys Ruddock(30/Exile/St. Marys) - signed contract in 2022

Jack Conan(29/St. Gerards/Old Belvedere) - signed contract in 2021

Josh Van Der Flier(28/Wesley/UCD) - signed contract in 2022

Dan Leavy(27/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

Will Connors(25/Clongowes/UCD) - signed contract in 2020

Max Deegan(24/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2019

Caelan Doris(23/Blackrock/DUFC) - signed contract in 2022

Scott Penny(22/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

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Martin Moloney(22/Athy RFC/Old Belvedere) - Academy Yr 3

Sean O'Brien(21/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 2

Alex Soroka(21/Belvedere/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 2

Mark Hernan(21/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - Academy Yr 1

Scrumhalf

Jamie Gibson Park(29) - signed contract in 2022

Luke McGrath(28/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

Nick McCarthy(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contact in 2021

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Cormac Foley(21/St. Gerards/Lansdowne) - Academy Yr 3

Ben Murphy(20/Pres Bray/Old Wesley) - Academy Yr 1

Outhalf

Jonathan Sexton(36/St. Marys/St. Marys) - central contract until 2022

Ross Byrne(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020

Harry Byrne(22/St. Michaels/Lansdowne) - signed contract in 2020

David Hawkshaw(22/Belvedere/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2021

Centre

Robbie Henshaw(28) - central contact until 2022

Rory O'Loughlin(28/St. Michaels/UCD) - signed contract in 2020

Garry Ringrose(26/Blackrock/UCD) - central contact until 2025

Conor O'Brien(25/Mullingar RFC/Clontarf) - signed contract in 2019

Ciaran Frawley(24/Skerries RFC/UCD) - signed contract in 2022

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Liam Turner(22/Blackrock/DUFC) - Academy Yr 3

Jamie Osborne(20/Naas RFC/Naas) - Academy Yr 2

Back Three

Dave Kearney(32/Clongowes/Lansdowne) - signed 2yr contract in 2021

James Lowe(29) - signed 3yr contract in 2020

Adam Byrne(27/Naas RFC/UCD) - signed contract in 2020

Hugo Keenan(25/Blackrock/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

Jimmy O'Brien(25/Newbridge/UCD) - signed contract in 2021

Jordan Larmour(24/St. Andrews/St. Marys) - signed contract in 2022

Tommy O'Brien(23/Blackrock/UCD) - signed contract in 2022

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Andrew Smith(21/St. Michaels/Clontarf) - Academy Yr 2

Niall Comerford(21/Blackrock/UCD) - Academy Yr 2

Max O'Reilly(22/St. Gerards/DUFC) - Academy Yr 2

Rob Russell(23/St. Michaels/DUFC) - Academy Yr 1

Chris Cosgrave(20/St. Michaels/UCD) - Academy Yr 1

Confirmed to be leaving

Josh Murphy(26/St. Michaels/UCD) - confirmed to be leaving for Connacht

Dubinusa · 01-03-2022 9:48pm

Isn't Lasisi a lh prop?

Lsdrugbyfan · 01-03-2022 9:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118716238#Comment_118716238

said in a recent interview that he was focusing on TH prop going forward.

Dubinusa · 01-03-2022 10:25pm

Ok? That's good.

Serbian · 02-03-2022 1:43am

There’s a good bit of hype around Jack Boyle who is around the same age as Lasisi. Presumably, Lasisi is being moved over over largely to avoid competing with Boyle, and also because he’s 10+ kg heavier

TRC10 · 02-03-2022 3:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118717555#Comment_118717555

Milne is there too

arsebiscuits1 · 02-03-2022 1:04pm

Max Deegan has signed on.

That is huge news.

Clegg · 02-03-2022 1:51pm

Excellent news on Deegan. According to the list above, the players I'd be desperate to keep are Henshaw, Baird, the Byrnes, Sheehan, Connors and Sexton.

Still a big ask to get all of them.