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Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    I think the EU are backtracking on that now. Ukrainian pilots travelled across into Poland and they wouldn't give.

    That Chechen force that was supposed to kill the Ukrainian president and his family were seemingly all taken out in that airport where the Anatov plane was stored.

    That force was used by Putin as his personal kill squad of LGBT people in Moscow. They'd kidnap the targets in Moscow and bring back to Chechnya and torture and kill them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭kk.man


    They are several issues. The tanks can't cross the land as it's too wet!..I kid u not. The snow is melting n snowing starts again. Fuel I think was the other reason. Putin ordered the army to the boarder but didn't tell them about an invasion. The thought they were going for a few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name



    Look at the replies beneath this.

    You'd wonder now are the military operating outside of Putin's orders now to bring a climax to the war and force the end of Putin.



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    We are truly a disgrace to the community of democratic nations.

    "There is no constitutional bar on Ireland sending weapons abroad, said Dr David Kenny, assistant professor of law at Trinity College Dublin."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/irish-soldiers-idle-anti-tank-missiles-should-be-sent-to-ukraine-1.4815649



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    I was thinking about this the other day…

    But we had to change the text of the Nice treaty, around excluding common defence, as the people rejected it first time around.

    Now I know this isn’t the same, but it does show that Irish people have strong views on European military, and didn’t want to be involved in it whenever the Nice referendum was held. So I do think if we were to change our existing position on neutrality, there should be some way of checking with the people. Now, I don’t know what this should be, a referendum seems a lot, but maybe that’s what’s needed. I can’t think of any other way, but maybe there are..



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    No offense but I'm not going into Nice et al. There's too much whataboutery around a very simple choice, help or don't. There's no time to be lost making this decision as eventually Putins invading army will attempt to close off supply routes in Western Ukraine.

    We have a law expert saying it's legally possible for Ireland to send anti armour and other weapons to a fellow democratic nation that is in dire need of them. Yet, we selfishly hold on to them so they can go out of date in a warehouse in the Dublin or where ever.

    Out of the other side of our faces we EXPECT the RAF and others to rush to OUR defense should we ever need that.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Out of the other side of our faces we EXPECT the RAF and others to rush to OUR defense should we ever need that.

    We expect our nearest neighbors (and others in the EU) to assist us because they also control a significant chunk of our island and have huge economic ties with us.

    Ukraine is neither in our nearest neighbors, nor in the EU (for valid reason's), and the economic ties are limited.

    Regardless of the circumstances, sending or not sending weaponry to a non EU nation, cant be compared to Ireland's current defensive capabilities.



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    We have an unwillingness to pay for even the most meager level of self defense, funding our defense forces. We have no primary radar, we have no sonar capabilities, we have no capability to compel a submarine to leave our waters, we have no ship capable of helicopter landing, we have no intercept capability, the list goes on.....

    It is an undignified position to maintain as a wealthy nation, no third nation should be expected to rush to our defense when we don't take such matters seriously ourselves. Other European nations described as neutral have such defense forces as applicable to their location.

    It is selfish.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Asked and answered already.

    There is zero reason not to send weapons and humanitarian aid as well as supporting sanctions. We have them, we can get them there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Switzerland the epic of neutrality is sending arms...and there's Paddy as windy as f#+&k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Firblog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Didn't see that.

    Through it was only humanitarian aid they were sending



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He's 4, and yes if that's the life he chooses for himself. I'm here to teach him stuff, not tell him how to live his life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭Grueller


    In 1798 we had freed one corner up here altogether and got no support. The North Cork Militia actually arrived to help the redcoats quash the rebellion.

    Why is Cork called the rebel County? Not why most think. It stems from King Henry the VII calling it that after it supported Perkin Warbeck in an unsuccessful rebellion against him in 1491 iirc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    They arent sending arms

    Swiss neutrality remains intact since the country is not sending military aid or getting involved in the fight itself

    Windy Paddy isn't alone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,582 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,273 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I'm involved on the local War Of Independence committee. I heard a historian say once, he heard of an old IRA guy once say that the young men in the area were willing to die for their country. Problem was he couldn't get them to go training in the rain. 😀

    I wonder how many of the volunteers gone to Ukraine will be hit that reality. Creature comforts like a warm bed and food will be a harsh reality to deal with, once they get there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Ireland could give military equipment such as helmets, boots, clothing, first aid kits, rain gear, water canisters. These are not lethal weapons and don't break any rules.

    They could also give some basic military training to anyone going back to the Ukraine to fight, even if it was only a couple of hours of basic training. Firing a weapon is not like what you see in Hollywood. The gun has a hard recoil. Rifles are even stronger. Simple stuff like how to operate the Guns safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    The propaganda being spouted now is every bit as bad as during covid if not worse.

    Cant seem to post a link. But Ukraine is saying over 5000 russians killed, pentagon estimates 1200-2000 and Russia says 500. Go figure...

    Would think that what we are bombarded with here is very different to what the reality is on the ground out there.


    We could be in for longer term issues with currency/inflation.

    When all this settles, china, russia and many other countries may not want to hold anywhere near the same reserves of foreign curreny. It could mean a lot of dollars and euros flowing back, driving inflation for years to come irrespective of monetary policy.

    Much of our wealth in the west has been built on loose money that has been absorbed by poorer countries. If there's less printed money being absorbed iteans that more discipline is needed in budgets or else you go the way of Argentina with very large inflation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Less chance of dying in the Irish army than farming



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    More hypothetical hurling from the ditch 👏

    I've been following Putin/Russia for decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,028 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The Western world is dealing with a meglomanic, and it seems a huge swath of the general population is along for the ride, 20 plus years of psycho-ops on the population seems to have worked

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ichbinilya/status/1499308474563534849



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭tanko


    He was hiding under his bed from Covid a few weeks ago ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭mumo3


    Scarier than that is the hashtag "I stand with Putin" is trending



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    What have you done Tanko, nothing I'd suppose, another hurler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,238 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    The western world has really boomed with the last 40 years ,I remember back then it was very rare to see a new car in the parish .Nowadays every tom ,dick and harry can buy new cars .Was alot of this higher standard of living down to cheap energy .Like with diesel heading for over 2 euro and rising ,will this put a stop to all our gallop .Example the housing crisis ,the country is full of vacant property but any of it ant suitable for housing because of such ridiculous high standards .There was a debate over on another thread about new A rated energy being made available for housing people who never work reared out of corporation houses themselves and acoss the street working class ppeople skrimping for a deposit to buy some of these 'inferior'1960's corporation houses .Its mad Ted !!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,361 ✭✭✭tanko


    Get back to watching Fox News and the BBC like a good lad.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Proving my point, good lad. Your only contributions in this thread are to take swipes at me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,950 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    He may have the gas flowing but that is about it. Today IKEA closed its stores in Germany and Belruss laying of 17k workers. Putin had 650 billion in foreign reserves but kicking him out of SWIFT and other financial sanctions means he cannot deploy them to protect his economy. He cannot export oil, coal or other commodities except maybe grain. It's the first time the large western democracies have decided to squeeze the economic life out of a fairy large economy. It will be interesting to watch.

    After Crimean sanctions Putin decided to make Russia more independent for food, mainly meat and dairy products. However they are still hugely dependent on the west for manufactured goods from Cars to phone leads. They have never directly imported from Asia

    It was interesting on the history thread where a few Putin bots were on about Russian tanks rolling into Paris. They are struggling with a small second world military power. This again smells of Afghanistan when they took it over in the 80's and it was one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR. As we see they are not really the military power that many believe.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,028 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    The first tweet I've seen that explains why masses of Russian trucks, including 15 million dollar air defence ones included have been left abandoned with blown out tires, it just goes to show how fu**kin sloppy the Russian army actually are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,950 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I find it mental that we want the country to be anything other than militarily unaligned. We can and should be vocal and calling out gobshites who are acting the maggot, and help where we can. But helping doesn't mean sending guns and weapons, there are other ways. We pack a punch much more than many bigger nations. Our soft power in the world is extraordinary. And that's not because we're mad hoors for fighting, but mad hoors for the craic!

    And this talk of not forcing yer kids join and army if they don't want is right and proper. But how do ya feel about them being made join and sent into war zones as part of NATO or something? That's where we head if we start moving away from "neutrality". Or how about like the Ukraine where now if ya have balls, you ain't leaving the country. Not such a good position to be in if I'm honest.

    I disagree wholeheartedly that weapons is the way we must support.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A Cash and Carry in Enniscorthy donated 26 pallets of stock.

    It'll be drove out in their lorry to Poland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,995 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I am all for us all for being neutral. The West are by no means angles in many recent conflicts.

    After the talks today between the French President and Putin I don't think any country can stand by let this catastrophy happen in front of our eyes. Putin was meant to have told Macron that he will not stop till he takes the whole of Ukraine. Given Ukraine's stance it will mean mass deaths, injuries and structural damage. It's just so wrong in 2022. All the grand speeches by political leaders at memorials over the last eighty years of 'we must never let this happen in our time' was just words. We don't even have got to go back to WW2 many Western politicians acknowledged that the Yugoslavian Bosnian conflict should have been stopped much sooner. Words will be of no use to the dead when all this ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    Listening to Macron today it wouldn't surprise me if he wants to actually do something to help Ukraine. It's clear Biden isn't interested. So it's up to Europe to do something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,313 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Once Putin goes after Poland or Estonia the virtue signallers saying 'Down with NATO' and whataboutering Statesian aggression will start to quake in their boots.

    The fact that PBP and similar anti-war softies have been allowed to flourish is just a result of how good we've had it in de West since the end of the cold war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Look at the UN in rwanda, should have acted quicker. Ended in genocide. I think ita time to act, putin will make ukraine pay for all these sanctions. How pathetic Macron looks atm, where is Germany and Italy? Tory party infiltrated. Spain are sending anti tank missiles and guns at least



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭alps


    We delude ourselves.

    We have this notion of importance, and that our neutrality brings us some sort of raised acceptance.

    Our nutrality is a sham.

    Someone is being mugged on the street and we walk to the other side to avoid it....thats not being neutral....that's being gutless..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Russian businessman Alex Konanykhin has placed a $1 million bounty on Vladimer Putin's head and urged the country's military leaders to bring the president to justice.

    I'd swear those military flights into Japanese and into that exercise in swedish airspace a few days ago was the military begging for Nato to go to war with them and either directly attack putin with his location provided to Nato or the excuse the military need to take out Putin to save from a nuclear war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,582 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Question is though would the troops on the ground send the missles if given the order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭carrollsno1


    Well i suppose in relation to the new cars most of the older ones were scrapped in the scrappage scheme a few years back, people i would imagine are commuting more than ever before for work so a reliable car is a must, it cost a hell of a lot more to tax and insure an older vehicle too. Id be happy enough driving a Toyota from the 90s myself i had one in Australia and a Mitzubishi from that era in New Zealand too and they never gave a bit of trouble and they both did fair mileage to be fair to them but i wasnt relying on them getting me to work every morning at the same time as much as id love an old Corolla, Carina or Camry as a daily car it wouldnt be anyway practical and would be more suited as a Sunday car.

    Better living everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    I'm puzzled why they are not using their stealth bombers to take out that Russian convoy. They are complete sitting duck targets, the stealth bombers would come and be gone without anyone knowing who or wtf is after happening. Even if it's obvious after they could just deny deny deny just like Putin and his cronies are doing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Stealth aircraft get shot down too. Plus conclusions can be drawn from action leaving lack of evidence. If you're going to risk ww3, which I think we're already in tbh, then go in decisively not half assed. The much talked about convoy hasn't done much the last three days, the Ukrainians have already started nibbling at it. Troops short of food, out of date rations, no fuel, sleeping outdoors in Ukraine in a war zone in March aren't going to be happy lads. As Reggie mentioned, people who know how would want to have the situation very well fleshed out with whomever on the other end is responsible for the actual firing of nuclear weapons.

    An interesting morsel today, Ukraine actually has some of it's pilots already trained (previous to this conflict, not because of it) on the US A-10, which si due to go out of service. It's the ideal aircraft to chew on these convoys.

    In other news, don't remember if it's been mentioned, Finish President Niinistro, pretty much an expert on Putrid is in Washington tomorrow for what I saw described as an unscheduled meeting with Biden. I think Finland and Sweden will join NATO quite soon thanks to Putrids fcuk acting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Looks like Putin (the government) may be about to declare martial law in Russia.

    Wealthy Russians are racing to flee the country before it comes in.

    Rumour mill always the rumour mill. Is that Putin has rockets aimed at Moscow to blame on the Ukrainians (false flag) so that martial law can come in and Kyiv can be flattened by bigger bombs and the Ukrainian president and government destroyed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    It's sad the way the world has gone. So many totalitarian regimes all going unchecked.



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