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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Shannon, which is effectively a US base will receive a nuke. Shannon/Limerick would be the lucky ones.

    But, I think the West has acted correctly, aided/encouraged by a very brave defence by Ukraine, which unfortunately can't be helped more than what is currently being done, imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Fun fact, a Swiss military intelligence officer posing as a wealthy banker bought an old landed gentry house in West Cork during the cold war (70s I think). Its intention was to be the seat of the Swiss government exile in the event of nuclear war. West Cork was calculated to be one of the safer places in Europe due to prevailing winds. Local tradesmen got a bit suss when they were installing a nuclear bunker and comms equipment.

    RTE had a bit on it last year I think. Quare story, but true! It's a hotel now I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 475 ✭✭SoapMcTavish




    "Moreover, in March 1981, when the Sunday Tribune reported details of a joint US, NATO plan for Western Europe, it clearly showed that Cork, Bantry, Dublin, Shannon and Belfast would be Soviet targets - Shannon and Dublin airports being vital if NATO air bases on the Continent had been destroyed. The plan assumed that the Soviets believed that, in a war, NATO would take over the country with or without the government's consent.

    In December 1983, two members of Northern Ireland CND, Peter Emerson and Paddy McBride, entered the nuclear bunker at Mount Eden in south Belfast. They photographed a map of Ireland showing a number of sites regarded then by the British Ministry of Defence as possible targets in a European nuclear exchange. In Northern Ireland these were Bishopscourt; the radar base at Torr Head, Co Antrim; and the base at Ballykelly, Co Derry. In the Republic there were six sites: Wicklow, Waterford, Cork, Cobb, and two points in Donegal including a seastrike at Inistrahull."



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    China are irrelevant. They have less leverage over Russia than the west, which has proven to be less than none. The amount of inflation of China's importance is only exceeded by the underestimation of Putin's sociopathy.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It is more serious than 1939 because in 1939 there were no nuclear weapons. People who think Putin is bluffing about being willing to burn the world are engaging in wishful thinking. Magda Goebels murdered her six children in the bunker. The men close to Hitler knew the war was lost in 1942 but preferred to see everything destroyed.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I saw it, was around the time said "businessman" died. Who knows, we could have half the UN set up in West Cork. But, AFAIK, the Swiss government themselves never took it seriously - was a bit of a solo run, IIRC.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why would they waste a nuke? Two standard cruise missiles would take that target out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    We are lying down and spreading our legs. Standing up isn't on the cards.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're really hurting my feelings. You are so cold and ruthless.



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Its a simply a numbers game.

    Russia's military is no match for the combined west if the situation escalates, and Putin knows that.

    Also I've heard it discussed on the BBC there is a long chain of command from Putin to the guys that launch the nukes, they could refuse to act in anticipation of retaliation threat from the west.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭slay55


    I can’t see any other outcome than at least one nation being nuked in 2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Yes, the same fellow ran a shadow army within Swiss intelligence set up to lead an anti-Soviet resistance in the event of invasion. Went under the radar until the early 90s.

    Anyone interested in Cold War stories should listen to the Cold War Conversations podcast. The above tale isn't covered, but it has a whole host of interviews with all sorts of people and their activities during the Cold War. Some crazy crazy stories out there.

    Both the USSR and the West were riddled with (sometimes not unfounded) paranoia. An extraordinary period of history - on the surface a period of growth and cultural flowering for Europe, but under the surface, so many people were working tooth and nail to prevent disaster striking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I think that the current Western values we currently hold are reliant upon a surplus of food, energy and water existing. On the hierarchy of needs, you have to have the basic needs covered before you can move onto the loftier self-actualisation goals. Once austerity bites, however, there's more of a drive to 'get with the program' and pull together (or be pushed together) in order to secure the basic resources we need for survival. That means less individualism and less liberty for ordinary people.

    My fear is that, based on the current trajectory of the world economy and population, we're setting ourselves up for a situation where authoritarian regimes like Russia and China have a natural advantage. As austerity bites from rising energy costs, and there are more humans competing for resources, China and Russia are better poised to both endure the suffering, and are more whipped into shape by their governments to hold together. Meanwhile, the West would be fighting with itself and in denial about the drop in standards of living, and in that world, China and Russia can move.

    So the choice for the West is to either adopt some of the aspects of authoritarian societies to perhaps set ourselves up to adapt to coming austerity, or else find methods of energy production that are cheap and clean so that we can continue with the surplus we currently enjoy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The airport buildings or one of the longest runways in the world?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    People should stop posting about nuclear attacks on Ireland and theorizing where and who would be worse affected.

    Its scaremongering



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Russia dont need nuclear bombs in Ukraine - they are killing thousands with all the missile strikes and shelling each night and once the troops and tanks get into Kiev and other cities tens of thousands of Ukrainians will be killed each week if not day .

    Russia will use nuclear bombs if they go into Poland or Germany or Western Europe.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Right but you mentioned a nuclear attack, that's the condition of the Chinese-Ukrainian pact, if Russia were to launch a nuclear attack on Ukraine, China would have to retaliate against Russia.

    In terms of leverage, Russia won't be able to repair it's Boeing and Airbus planes soon, the world's major container shipping companies are refusing to do business with it, in fact most major global companies will stop doing business altogether with the entire country, it's largest bank stock has gone down 95%, the central bank has had hundreds of billions in assets abroad frozen, their currency has plunged 20% to 30%, Russian bonds and assets are toxic, I don't even want to think about their pension funds, it looks like the country is going to default on it's next bond payment, and this is just 7 days in.

    They are going to become very, very reliant on BRICS countries like China, the second largest economy in the world, just to survive. If the Chinese allow them. And don't scalp the hell out of them in every deal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Were you one of those kids that when they closed their eyes they thought those chasing couldn't see them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Don’t think it’s their military that’s the problem, it’s the threat of nukes. And while you may be correct about the chain of command, you can’t wage war in the hope that a Good Samaritan in the link will prevent the apocalypse. Aren’t there nukes in different parts of the army ? You might get lucky with naval officers and unlucky with certain army ones.

    Im guessing that the allies are speaking with those most familiar with Putin to gauge what probability of him using nukes in different scenarios. The mere fact that he is actually using them as a threat implies he’s ok having them as a bartering chip. I think that’s insane, not least because that nuclear war could spell the end of humanity, but it makes sense to him.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,303 ✭✭✭Alonso77


    These theories about Irish targets all come from old Soviets war plans from 40/50 yrs ago - also there are a lot less nukes now that in the 70/80s with lesser yields - some believe the theories of nuclear winter are a myth and life would return to relative normality in a much lesser time that the doomsday modelling from cold war times



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well it won't be the longest any more if there's a massive crater in the middle of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    With the accuracy of Russian missiles on display in Ukraine, you’d probably be better standing in Westport town centre if you want to be directly hit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Yes I watch the news and know whats happening in Ukraine right now.

    My post was theorising what happens if things escalate and the west get more involved.

    I would suggest we should call Putins bluff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭combat14


    First signs of corporate russia starting to wake up and speak out... they must know that the writing is on the wall for their balance sheet if west decides to go down the stop buying ALL russian oil route...



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It's never just one man's finger on the button and there are a large number of corridors to navigate before even a decision is reached regarding the use of a nuclear option. So all the talk of nukes is just hot air.

    The Russians know that there are several countries with nuclear options and they are all ranged at cities and other targets in Russia. If the Russian brass opt for a strike, they understand completely that that would, literally, mean the end of their own nation because it would be completely obliterated.

    They're not going to do that over some mickey mouse conflict in the Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    No. I also dont think we would be a target.

    Others who read the thread and such posts may be of a more nervous nature though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭Ninthlife





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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Lot of Ukrainians are dying in this Micky mouse conflict you speak of



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