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    #18122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729958#Comment_118729958

    Quite decisive- no need for a 50:50 or phone a friend



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    #18123
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729887#Comment_118729887

    I pretty confident the man is a psychopath. I don’t think he would have any mental anguish over firing some nukes, he may well relish the opportunity.

    The photos of him as a child are disturbing, clearly there was someone off with him from the beginning.



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    #18124
    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    Given Putin's tendency to be in the limelight, might he be trying to bate NATO and the US into military action against his units in order for an excuse to be the first in the world to fire a nuke in anger? Putin's instability knows no bounds. Time the west accepted that he needs to be removed along with his yes men. We could step up the pressure on China in this regard too. If China pulled the plug on him it would speed up the end for Russia's madman.

    Dan.



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    #18125
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just a callout to Channel 4 news all week- they’ve played a blinder in terms of their news coverage. They had former chess champion Gary Kasparov (a big Pukeon critic) on yesterday - he gave a great chess analogy. In chess, you have all the information available to you, both for your own moves and your opponent - everything is in the open.

    Putin doesn’t play chess-,he’s been playing poker all these years and mostly bluffing but the west has folded again and again - we now need to call his bluff-that’s a powerful statement



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    #18126
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,578 ✭✭✭Field east


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118728136#Comment_118728136

    It must be very challenging for the defending Ukrainians to get some rest and some sleep during this standoff and the 30 mile l? Long of army vehicles. I hope that the Ukrainians do not allow the vehicle drivers ,etc, etc, what about the unarmed civilians in the area BANGING tins , frying pans. Or whatever with sticks , fire an odd shot into the air , Playing loud music , let a heard of cattle lose ., let off fire crackers now and and again , . What about a few local farmers driving their tractors to the local pubs and leave the pubs late and. DRIVE HOME in 3 gear weaving in and out the long convoy. You get the drift. . I forgot how pigeons might be used .



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    #18127
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 20,185 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729978#Comment_118729978

    Clearing the skys means fighting Russians in the sky and starting a war with them so they'd be entitled to attack NATO back and then wed have boots on on the ground because the theatre of war would be expanded to include NATO.

    What's the difference between NATO attacking Russia on the ground or in the air? NATO is either in or out, and for now we're out. Clearing the sky's means we're in and there is no such thing as half-in.



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    #18128
    redlad12
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729877#Comment_118729877

    I absolutely hate what this scum is doing. It is absolutely despicable. I hope somebody beheads him. But to say Ireland isn't safe is probably wrong. To advise someone to stay in Brazil instead of come back to Ireland is in my view quite hysterical. But look fair enough!



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    #18129
    Addmagnet
    Registered Users Posts: 874 ✭✭✭Addmagnet


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729936#Comment_118729936

    They were never equal.



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    #18130
    redlad12
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729894#Comment_118729894

    Nuclear winter , Brazil be not safe either sure.



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    #18131
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729984#Comment_118729984

    In fairness most Russians looked like that back then- impoverished unsmiling down trodden



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    #18132
    redlad12
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729877#Comment_118729877

    I thought They can reach brazil "no problem"



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    #18133
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 40,006 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729944#Comment_118729944

    1000s arrested for peaceful protesting.

    15 years in jail if you mention the words "war" or "invasion"

    All independent media shut, with journalists fleeing the country.

    A loaf a bread about to cost a stuffed wheelie bin of cash.

    1000's of dead young men returning in zinc coffins killed in "training accidents" in Russia not Ukraine.

    Something has to give over there.



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    #18134
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730020#Comment_118730020

    How childishly naive. Nobody is saying we are in imminent danger but Putin has started a war in Europe, the ease with which a war between Russia and NATO and/or the EU could be triggered is very high. Accidents happen and things can escalate and get out of control very quickly.



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    #18135
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russia MOD has blamed the attack on the nuclear plant on Ukrainian "saboteurs". It's so predictable at this stage.



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    #18136
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Whilst a no-fly zone seems to be impossible, I think the US/Europe need to wake up to the fact that they need to really open the tap for pouring arms and supplies into Ukraine. So much seems to hinge on Ukrainian forces and reservists being able to hit back, to make decisive moves. This "slow creep" by Russia is going to lead to a horrendous multi-year conflict.



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    #18137
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729944#Comment_118729944

    Yes agreed, but we (as in 'the West') need to avoid going down the same route, don't we? Do we still have the appetite for liberty that we had say a month ago? Or did Covid weaken our tolerance for free expression?

    This story made me uncomfortable in terms of direction:

    http://www.romea.cz/en/news/czech/czech-prosecutor-general-says-expressing-approval-and-support-for-russia-apos-s-attack-on-ukraine-could-be-a-felony

    Public statements at demonstrations and on social media that approve of the Russian Federation's ongoing attack on Ukraine or express support for the leadership of Russia can now be considered a criminal offense punishable by up to three years in prison, Czech Prosecutor-General Igor Stříž said in a press release today. "Article 17 of the Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms enshrines freedom of speech at the constitutional level," the press release says.

    Are right and wrong geographical phenomenona? Is liberty relative? I clearly need enlightenment on these points.

    And all that is moot anyway, if this war spreads. There will be no 'time' for questions. Scary bleedin' times, in other words.



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    #18138
    KieferFan69
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730011#Comment_118730011

    Sounds pretty inane really.



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    #18139
    gandalf
    Registered Users Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730016#Comment_118730016

    Yes but NATO wouldn't need to put a boot on the ground though would they. The air power would be enough. If the Russians fire on them then they fire back and an awful lot of planes, armour and vehicles would be rendered scrap on the roads of Ukraine.



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    #18140
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    Also, while I don't know how these things operate, doesn't letting people talk online make them easier for security services to identify? Let them talk while security services operate honeypots, track them, and pick them off? I don't get the logic of driving them underground.



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    #18141
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730038#Comment_118730038

    I wonder though- I know Putin and the Russian govt fear the youth as they are more clued in to what’s happening but even then, middle class young Russians are mostly worried about where their next holiday will be and the next edition of the iPhone - they’re pampered and not very politically aware. I’d say the older generation know damn well what’s happening but are too afraid or tired or disinterested to do anything.

    The protests to date were many but only in the 100s per protest- so yes there are brave people over there- but it’s not enough and now with marshal law in place Putin has second guessed these numbers growing so has clamped down before there’s a chance to start - and without independent media to help you, why would you risk your life and that of your family- he’s thrown water on the protest fire and he may well have snuffed it out



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    #18142
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,255 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/t68y8k/us_senator_lindsey_graham_calls_for_president/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


    Should I be more alarmed that a nuclear power plant was being bombed or that I agree with Lindsey Graham ? Very tough call…



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    #18143
    liamtech
    Registered Users Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭liamtech


    https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1499679464086724609?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

    Lord Haw Haw -

    Surprised he doesnt begin each broadcast with :

    Russia calling... Russia Calling

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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    #18144
    redlad12
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730044#Comment_118730044

    Hardly childishly naive. It is hysterical to tell someone not to travel back to Ireland at the moment. - that poster is saying we are in imminent danger.



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    #18145
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730075#Comment_118730075

    Cognitive dissonance can be unpleasant, I know. I feel it too. But it has to be confronted. What do we mean by European values?



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    #18146
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730078#Comment_118730078

    9 Days ago people like you were still saying Putin would never invade Ukraine.



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    #18147
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730057#Comment_118730057

    That Czech action is well out of order. And he has a neck as hard as a jockey's bollocks to say their constitution enshrines freedom of speech? Twat. He also calls the Russian invasion 'genocide', which it is not*. How easily such terms are bandied about.

    Liberty shouldn't be relative. And I have an issue with banning Russian TV in Europe. Censorship is for dictators and the fearful and the former use it on the latter. Shine a light on propaganda, don't ignore it. That plays right into the hands of those who seek to twist the truth and those that already believe the bullshít. Never mind that Russian TV is so transparently propagandist it's actually scary that anyone could begin to believe it.




    *do I really have to qualify this by restating that Putin is an autocratic nazi prick who kicked off a murderous invasion?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #18148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730096#Comment_118730096

    Indeed- there’s absolutely no guarantees here- I’ve watched wall to wall coverage on multiple stations- Ch4, BBC Sky etc- they all had their experts on and not ONE person is able to say what’s going through Putins mind or how this might develop- not ONE.

    The playbook of how wars are fought and predictions around outcomes is usually fairly accurate but this has taken all experts by surprise - even ISIS, once people got their heads around how they were organised , became a predictable entity



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    #18149
    Heraclius
    Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Heraclius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730056#Comment_118730056

    Yes, apparently the Americans haven't given them drones yet which I'm surprised by if it is true. I would hope they would be setting up air defenses etc for Lviv as well. If they are only supplying lighter arms then they really must expect that Ukraine will fall and they just want to make the Russians suffer first.



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    #18150
    KieferFan69
    Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭KieferFan69


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729655#Comment_118729655

    Hostile ground for stupidity? Are you having a laugh? It’s a thread full of excited, barely-sentient children and almost every post is cringey AF.

    Actual news (beyond what you’d get from watching 2 minutes of CNN) or even intelligent conjecture is as rare as hens’ teeth.



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    #18151
    [Deleted User]
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    The longer this goes on I'm wondering if anyone has or will admit they were wrong or have changed their minds on Putin.

    He's done a full invasion, they're bombing train stations, nuclear power plants, have shut down most social media and a bunch of media in their own country. As a fun challenge (and this goes to any "**** NATO" people), is it possible to defend or even just deflect from the actions of the Russian state in the last week without mentioning America? Because I don't see it.

    They've made it extremely clear that they're going to flatten the country. They won't have to pay to rebuild anything except what they can make money f.rom. Leave a rump Ukrainian state landlocked and destroyed, rebuild profitable industries in the annexed areas.



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