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Aggravated burglary in Sligo

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  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Hodger


    Whenever the next national election is held I fully Intend on asking whoever comes to canvass my door if they plan on making any changes to our lenient laws on bail and lack of proper sentencing and if they have any plans to build more prisons so there will be more room space to Imprison scumbags who commit such crimes .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3



    Who appointed the judge for the Father Niall Molloy case? The same person that appointed the judge for the Stardust Tribunal.!! Appointed specifically to bring back the preferred verdict. And "politicians cannot interfere in the judiciary" Pull the other one. By law they cannot, but when did the law ever apply to people like the great C.J. ??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭washman3



    Imagine the kids and teenagers at that funeral hearing all that shite and aspiring to be the next hero Deano.!! These scum were absolute Gods in their community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    The outrage is strong in your post. However, outrage is of no relevance here. Your politician can make laws. They have no power over the judiciary and would be fairly quickly put back in their box should they step out of their box in that regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,605 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Judges handing out prison sentences is not working imo. Firstly our prisons are all over capacity and everyone knows you would be very unlucky to serve even half your sentence. Secondly does anyone think people leave prison rehabilitated or ready to join a normal working society, I don't think so. More like dependent on drugs and plenty of more scum contacts made inside and ready to start their crime exploits again. And last the prisons are probably keeping them fed and in better conditions than they would have at home. I don't think the current prison system is a deterrent.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    We actually don't have lenient bail laws, you must remember to actuaily keep someone in prison without conviction is a very serious thing. Innocent until proven guilty.

    I believe that the reduction of Gardai and Garda stations in small rural areas has had a massive effect on rural crime in the last ten years or so. (That and our better road network)

    Criminals know that there are no Gardai for miles, and not only that but years ago the local Gardai lived in an area, they cared about the community and they knew everybody in it. the majority could be called on, even when off duty to assist in matters in their own locality. A stranger or strange car would be noticed. This has been taken out if the community, less people look out for each other, people are more inclined to mind their own business now.

    Terrible thing to happen to this man, really terrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes the coming of the Motorways is probably the biggest factor in the increase in rural crime in the last decade. Entire swaths of the country suddenly became a little more than an hour from the criminal gangs of Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Its not just the criminal gangs in Dublin , theres plenty in rural Ireland of a certain background who case houses and businesses for their relations from other areas. Limerick in particular has a high number of these individuals - same story out the county - no guards or guards who hide from these criminals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Yes just watch the burglary rate in the south west sky rocket whenever the Cork to Limerick motorway gets built.

    I have noticed recently that there seems to be lot more activity around motorway bridges. It seems criminals are meeting their getaway cars at these bridges rather than coming off at junctions where they could be picked up by CCTV.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BronsonTB


    Another assault last night on older man...one word...scum....


    www.sligowhiplash.com - 2nd & 3rd Aug '25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,432 ✭✭✭Wailin


    I'd like to see you be that nonchalant if it was your dad or grandfather. Clown.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    The usual argument used by people who think everyone must share their family values.

    This can be discussed without bringing emotions into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,313 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Whilst there is an Operation Thor that does catch a small amount of these roving Burglars more garda resources need to be put into catching these perpetrators not alone in the Sligo case but in many other cases.

    These criminals are also up to their eyes in dealing cocaine in rural ireland and often pressurize addicts indebted to them to give them names of people whod be soft touchs locally worth robbing .who they pass onto their relations from some other part of the country .



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The constitution is not immutable. It's within our power to amend it, and regain control over the judiciary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Unfortunately tfor yourself, there are too many people who actually have a basic understanding of how things work and why they are like that. You won't find enough outraged people to effect your proposals. Even with Facebook not following through on their bluff



  • Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭Hodger


    Back a few months ago on a local history facebook group someone posted a photo of a well known guy in the town paying tribute to him as a local legend and local character etc. This post got well over 100 to 200 likes with comments praising him. The well known guy has multiple convictions for various things Burglary/ assault / grievous body harm / public order offences plus a number of other things. How I know he mas multiple convictions the details of his last court case are available online which list out some of his previous convictions but to go back to the photo being posted paying tribute to him looking at it Im honestly baffled as to how some people could view him as some sort of local legend given the various things he has done over the years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    We are far too soft on scum.

    Anyone convicted of this type of rule doesn't deserve the oxygen the rest of us law abiding citizens use.

    Ship them out to spike Island. And ensure they can't leave, they don't have any human rights anymore.



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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah yes, the old "You don't understand, therefore there's no point in pointing out or discussing clear deficiencies in what we're talking about".

    The motor industry exists for one reason. To make profit. Same with REITs, same with electronic manufacturers and same with the legal industry.

    Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of clever minds when it comes to law. But they're self-AHEM-"regulated" and there's no reason to believe that they, by default, would prefer a more streamlined, efficient (less work and money) legal system. And of course the judiciary is completely separate from politics. That's what we're supposed to believe.

    We see the bullshit all the time. It's going to take 3 months or whatever to pay out the money for the energy subvention (which is a stupid idea to begin with) because ya know, it takes that long to pass laws and authorise funding. Except when they feel like it they can open a programme to hundreds of thousands of people and start paying out €100 million a week in the space of a week or 2. There's a statutory time limit on something? OK but we're gonna miss it and not allow an appeal on those grounds because we say so. But another judge might say something different, either way we get paid.

    Laws matter when they're followed. It's a pity so much of the middle of society do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    That's awful waffle. It's just a rant and shows a complete failure to actually understand the point.

    If you can't understand the reason of having a strict separation of powers, and the dangers of messing with that and allowing politicians to impinge, over-ride or even directly influence the outcomes of judicial decisions, then there isn't a lot that can be explained to you.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But of course, one group appoints the other group but they're completely separate.

    Again, the legal industry and zero reason to countenance anything which would mean less work and money for them. Which is why they supposedly can't imagine changing a system in any way outside of narrow confines that leave them alone. Laws can be changed plenty and be malleable when there's impetus for it but usually it's just a shrug and a "Sure it's just how it is". And of course it suits politicians to be able to say "We can't" to as many suggestions as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Go and read the basics dude. Judges don't get paid overtime or on a per-case basis. They can also only be removed for stated misbehaviour and even then only when that is passed by the Dail and the Seanad. There was also previously an absolute Constitutional prohibition on their salaries being reduced in order to prevent politicians from trying to use that to influence them (although that was modified in 2011)


    If your local chancer told you that he'd change the judges or their decisions if you gave him your vote, and you believed him and gave it to him, then you were tricked.............



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The legal industry isn't just judges. But you know that. And it isn't just criminal justice. But you know that.

    The constitution can be changed, we're agreed on that. Obviously though any suggestion to remove any power or influence whatsoever from the judiciary would just be absolutely an attack on the very core of the country. Apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Feisar


    We havent the stomach for that yet. Cancer needs to be cut out though.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,608 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Another blind alley.

    We are members of the EU so no death penalty.

    Even when we had the death penalty it was not for assault and burglary.

    Same goes for the "no human rights for offenders" crowd.

    They do have human rights.

    Having said that we could have more of the blackguards apprehended, tried and sent away for longer if we really went about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Feisar


    All true but feck me it rankles. Surely they should be afforded the same rights they give others? Why the need to hold the higher moral stance? I just cant get my head around the logic of it.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,608 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Because we have international obligations to uphold the human rights of prison inmates.

    Not that we should want to do what is done in countries where human rights don't matter.

    It's enough to actually catch them and deprive them of their liberty for a long time.

    We should concentrate on that rather than making ourselves pariahs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,272 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,042 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I see another 2 in the news today for robbing 50k off a pensioner.

    They were from everyone's favourite Irish race.

    And I would say there is a fair chance that those who battered the guy into a coma recently might just be related. They have a liking for robbing older, vulnerable pensioners in rural areas.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Wow wow wow

    Enda and the lefts favourite “race”, personally I can’t stand the cnuts



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    It all stems back to human rights. Your human rights should be removed if you are shown to take someone elses away.

    Put these scum on an island and just let them die. They're of no value to anyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭pauly58


    The full force of the state should be thrown at these individuals. First, repeal the idiotic "ethnic minority" status, then Revenue, Social Welfare & CAB descend on their camps, asking where they got the money for the new vans, history of going on training schemes to find work etc.

    Then if the hundred plus convictions crowd were jailed we might get somewhere.



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don’t know much about legal jargon nor the constitution.

    Is it written in stone that the judiciary have to suspend sentences or something? What does the constitution actually say about being found guilty of a crime?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    When I do my accounts at the end of the year anything unexplained over €200 on the bank statement and my accountant is ringing me.

    The ethnic minority have monuments in graveyards across the country and many of them are surely upwards of 50 or 60K and that’s on a social welfare income. Where does that money come from?? Money comes from somewhere it doesn’t just appear out of thin air. If I spent 50k on a headstone my accountant would want to see in fine detail where that money came from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,152 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Anyone know if anyone has been arrested or questioned for this. Or the one on the sister and brother in Cork.

    We had a similar incident near me in December and i have never heard of anyone or anything being investigated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,849 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Nothing for the Sligo, but a 17 year old arrested for the Cork one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,195 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    repealing the factual, non-idiotic ethnic status would be racist so quite rightly cannot happen and isn't going to happen, get over it.

    the rest can already happen, and does actually happen from time to time but nobody wants to pay for it to happen more.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader



    Good to hear someone was taken in. Hopefully this just doesn't disappear until the next one happens.

    On convictions name and shame should be in place so these kinds can be shunned by communities and society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,849 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    RTE are reporting that they've arrested three people!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭BronsonTB



    Fair play to the Gardai in pursuing this, if found guilty, I really hope each one of them are given decent lengthy prison sentences.

    www.sligowhiplash.com - 2nd & 3rd Aug '25



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the Gardai have taken their time with the arrests as they wanted to get all their ducks in a row first.

    I really hope they’ve got the bastards bang to rights!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,608 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    An increased sentence in this case.

    A positive development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,640 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    You seem to think these people fear being 'named and shamed'. They don't care...the communities these people live in see no issue with anything they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I know you're probably right. Sentence the scumbags in cork received is still far to light.

    What I would like seen donr to these kind would only get me a lengthy ban on here .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭TooTired123


    This community see the pensioner who was attacked as having only himself to blame if young desperately hungry and poor people break into a very rich man’s house and try get something to feed themselves and their starving children



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,517 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Would be additional rage is any of the 3 were out on bail for similar offences.



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