Parking and traffic in Phoenix Park

Less traffic noise. Watch Cities aren't loud: Cars are loud for info of health impacts of traffic noise.

Less pollution. Consider the energy expended when walking compared to running same distance.

Safer for pedestrians trying to cross the road. And the deer. More reaction time available for drivers.

Do cars regularly get to these higher speeds in commuting traffic to allow then to operate more efficiently though? Commuting by car is in itself intrinsicly inefficient. I appreciate some have no choice, but a lot of people live within a train or bus ride, or even where cycling becomes viable. And at these higher speeds, cars pose more of a risk to more vulnerable road users. The outcome from hitting someone while travelling at 30kph, 50 kph or 80 kph vary greatly.

Why should the Park be any different in that regard!

Yes, in a way. Cars travelling at excess speed put vulnerable road users like cyclists and pedestrians in more danger - this has been pointed out up thread. Hitting someone at 30 kph versus 50 or higher has generally a better outcome for the vulnerable road user. It's about making cities safer, more pedestrian and cycling friendly. Cars take negatively from this experience, hence the effort to slow them down.

I see long lines of cars shuffling along at walking pace on my commute - pretty much from were I start in Carpenterstown, through Laurel Lodge and Castleknock - all grid locked every morning and back to the way it was pre-pandemic. Granted, you get a bit of respite in the park, but then it's back to grid lock again when you hit the quays. Horses for courses I guess.

They certainly don't. Which is why the Guards don't bring them nonsense such as 40 in a 30 zone, by not issuing such FPNs in the first place.

You know as well as I do, that if Irish judges started complaining in the manner you suggest, the outcome would be the removal of 30 km/h limits, not an increase in enforcement, for which there are no resources.

So in summary all these changes are to fix problems that never existed. But where they are ignored, it's ok because it wasn't a problem anyway.

We can't prove any of it because there's no recent statistics on any of it in the park anyway.

Even if wanted to collect stats, or enforce the rules, or change a gate, or add a pedestrian crossing our improve safely, you can't because you can't change anything historical, or add anything modern. But you can move one of the oldest zoos in the world. No issue with that.

If you want to get to somewhere in the park and were unfamiliar with area someone has coincidentally now removed it from Google Maps.

It will be interesting how it all works out.

No, what you mean is, someone made a presentation and Irish Cycle wrote an article about it.

'Moves continue to roll this out as a default', is an entirely false and exaggerated description.

Thanks to their own public consultation, Dublin City Council members were left in no doubt as to the massive unpopularity of such a suggestion among Dubliners and so they dropped it like a hot snot.

There is no reason to imagine that the Oireachtas would respond any differently.

From experience those deer are like lightning you generally have almost zero warning if they decide to dash.

If you see one, very likely others are following closely behind. They are like lemons. Or chasing each other.

Maybe we should try 20 kmph

The particular rule of the road has to have validity, or in this case the bye-law setting the limit.

If the 30 limit is proving inappropriate, which it clearly is, it won't remain.

With the good road surface, long sightlines and clear separation between modes, 30 is a wholly inappropriate speed limit for Chesterfield Avenue. The ridiculousness of it can be seen by anyone who travelled that route in recent days, on foot, on a bike or in a motor vehicle.

Time for a chat with my FF and FG friends again....

If this was about safety they'd have pedestrian crossings.