What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Talking to a man Thursday night that works in a fertilizer production plant, he was telling me fertilizer is now gone so expensive the last few days that they won’t be importing any more for the year as if the price drops back they will be left with a yard full of expensive fertilizer, he said they have enough in there yard till probably mid April but when that’s gone that’s it he said, and this is a big company he works for

Horse in the milk, might never see mid 40s prices again.. 18 nut gone to 400 with arrabawn.

There’s liffeys and Roches feeds locally Kev …400 is mad but feed all going to take a fair jump now due to Ukraine situation …fixed here till end March …nearly afraid to ask after that

From now on everybody will have to watch marginal production. They will need to look at the effect of reduction and expansion on profitability.

If present trends continue lads that have land rented will really have to do the figures. Nitrogen is 2.2 times the five year average, P&K about 1.5-1.8 times. If N goes another 200/ ton it will be 2.5 times the five year average. The fallout from this conflict could be N fertlizer at 5-700/ ton longterm.

If the new GLAS pays what it says it would for MSS I will definately do it. I would even consider it at present. It's an actual no brainer. John Heney made a good point in last year's FI. D pastures are capable of 7-8t DM/ HA with virtually no N compared to PR 12-14T at maybe needing 800 kgs urea and 400 of CAN.

The N cost at present prices would be well over1k euro. Maybe a 6-700 euro difference. While milk can carry that cost, I do not think beef can.

Silage ground will remain grass at present. I have most of the farm reseeded and these awards are very open. Si I will try these first.

Will see how these go before old permanent swards

Im in milk, it can pay for it at this years milk price, I’d it drops it’s a different story

weve no idle land here, we’re paying for every acre we’re farming so everything is working to its max and no room for mediocre production

Gouldings have withdrawn their price lists, can't get quotes off their own suppliers.

Its the length of time things continue will be the catch. One year may be manageable but after that who knows the price the farmer is paid will always drop before everything else so that must be kept on mind too for that period when sales won't cover output...

That's the big fear, a fodder shortage next winter if weather goes against us a distinct possibility..I'm not going to sacrifice silage this year if I can help it at all, nothing as stressful as the year going around the country in April begging for silage.

Don't a full rundown here 3 weeks ago, just to make sure things where stacking up, they where provided no more potholes came about and their was a healthy enough margin of circa 7cpl after all costs where factored in excluding labour, with meal costs and fuel/electricity costs escalating at a frightening pace (this year's fertilizer is in the yard here) unless co-ops return a base price of 45 plus cent as a average for the year as a minimum, and the weather plays ball, will be lucky to break-even.....

Pretty sure will be cutting numbers back by 30 odd % for 2023, will milk planned numbers through 2022 and will fatten up empties and problem cows for the hook for march/April 23,

It's looking like it will play right into the greens hands so. I can't really cut things a whole lot more here I'm lowly stocked on overall farm ,milking oad so upping output not an option.

I have good few heifers coming on next year so bottom 20/25% of the herd will be up the ramp in September/ October.

You would think a lot of suckler cows and poor performing dairy cows will be culled after this year and it may be a bit of a drag on beef prices.

But who knows what way lads might be thinking

Impress me with what you know. 🙃

Paddocks have been grazed already in jan/feb.

No nitrogen so far. Got 2,600 gallons of slurry before grazing alright, gypsum and gran lime end of last year.

First spray of minerals of the year. No fert yet.

No it is not. What will happen is this year's stock numbers will decide the amount N you are allowed if you opt for N limits for a target in the new eco scheme

What was 18/6/12 bass ?

Sure that’s there every year, which is why we have a reserve of silage in the yard

I will say this if you are starting down that route. Start with calcified seaweed as the base and then foliar after.

And I'm using no dissolved urea but you have to play what's in front of you and use your judgement.

But it's hearing dawg using the gypsum. You take the advice where you can.

I've even thrown white lime in the mix and you'd see a difference too.

Even that slurry I added compost into the slurry before agitation and spreading.

But it's all with an eye to seeing if I can go organic and keep the stocking rates. And even if I miss the target I'm future proofing myself against any possible future developments.

It's taken me four years to get here. Every year did get a little bit better though.

And another with the cows you're not grazing to the floor like conventional farmers need to. With pure npk fert the need is there to floor it but with this a bit left means it grows back faster and you're never worried about a wig of grass being rejected and the topper brought out. As the N is not really in the grass proper or it's a different type of N. They'll still floor it if you want without affecting performance or roaring at you over the gate. But a bit left means it's available to take more foliar in faster and grow back faster. ..I'm hardly able to make sense of any of that myself now. It's different is all and takes years.

And now I've jinxed myself in my work..😃

Everyone figures out their own way.