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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    I have no doubt Russia will win the war in Ukraine one way or another but he has made Russia a pariah state on the world stage.

    This is an economic disaster for Russia.



  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Botrys


    This has gone too far

    Enough flexing around, yes Putin is in a corner,

    All i see is the west wiping the floor with him.

    Give the guy an exit, get him out of Ukraine, drop peacekeepers all over the eastern border.

    give him Crimea and let's get this over with.




  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But there is nowhere to put them ,it's that simple , just like in Syria in boardsies were on threads saying they would take refugees into their own homes , guess what nobody ever did ,the realities of doing things like come to the fore very quick ,my wife asked would we take a Ukrainian family I said no ,not because I don't want to ,but we have 2 a 2 bed and 2 kids,we physically can't house more people let alone take the increase in food and electric costs .



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,405 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    That’s is poor alright. And obscene when you consider the wealth of the oligarchs. It’s obvious something has gone horribly wrong in this society, well before the fall of communism too. The Soviet communist “model” was very much in the mold of Orwell’s The Farm. That only continued but the top cronies became oligarchs and could enjoy the trappings of the west.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Relax lad ,nobody will be forcing you to develop a conscience or x Ray you looking for a humanitarian bone in your body. Relax live your own type of "life" .



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭realdanbreen




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    Not sure if this has been posted, was tracking this on it's way to Washington, wonder what it is up to? It's part of Putin's presidential fleet.

    Perhaps picking up the expelled diplomats via the presidential VIP treatment?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Longing


    There faces should be put up on every lamp post for there acts of aggression towards women and children. Its not hard to watch. Whats hard to watch is seeing two young children been shot in Ukraine this morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    You’d love to test that theory?

    I wouldn’t.

    Testing that theory involves Russia invading the baltics?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,664 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    TLDR: The Russian gas giant Gazprom, is using the greens to make Russia great again.

    We get most of our gas from the Corrib field and from a pipeline to the Uk. Most of the gas in the pipeline comes from Norway to the UK, but a small percentage would be Russian gas from yet another pipeline from the UK to the continent.

    An american company wants to build a Liquified Natural Gas terminal on the Shannon estuary. LNG is an alternative to pipelines The Gas is liquified and kept at very low temperatures. It requires specialised terminals to offload and store the cargo given it has to be kept very cold, insulated and liquid. The LNG can then be fed into the domestic gas network after warming it back to gas. Most importantly, LNG can be transported by sea and doesn't tie you to the person at the other end of a pipe.

    If you own the LNG terminal, it means you can in theory buy gas from a multitude of sources, even as far as Australia where LNG is a big export. This gives you energy security because you are not restricted to a single supplier and can shop around. The US company proposing the Shannon terminal would likely want to get all the LNG from the US, but the government could easily impose contractual obligations allowing it full control in an emergency or other special circumstances.

    The Green party - Moron Ryan, in particular, oppose this and not satisfied with just banning this project, want to pass legislation banning LNG terminals from being built in Ireland in total. This is insane and extremely suspicious, because it looks like the Russian gas giant Gazprom, has been infiltrating and bribing the green movement as a whole, spurring them to objecting to US fracked gas and taking an anti-nuclear stance, which has lead the Greens in Germany to successfully push to have perfectly good zero CO2 nuclear power stations shut down - all of them.

    The basic idea is to get Europe off Nuclear and LNG - which lets Europe buy gas from NotRussia - and make it ever more reliant on Russian gas, making Europe even more susceptible to Russian influence and less able to respond to Russia when it wants to invade and take over places.

    The whole NATO threat nonsense is just another side of Putin's effort to reduce and eliminate impediments to his empire building schemes, and it looks like he is also weaponising food and fertiliser supplies as well - both of which Ukraine was a major world producer of - to further make it impossible for countries to oppose his aggression. By grabbing Ukraine he kills 3 birds with one stone - gets control of Ukraine, 8% of world wheat exports and a good chunk of fertiliser manufacture, adding significantly to his portfolio of levers and threats.

    So Putin wants to make as many countries as possible, extremely dependent on Russian energy, food and fertiliser - India gets almost all it's fertiliser from Russia, which stops it's people from starving and is why they abstained from the UN condemnation vote - so he has leverage and thus freedom to do as he pleases.

    If your landlord can turn off your heating, electricity and stop you growing or buying food, you are unlikely to complain about what he's doing to the kids next door.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭Botrys



    |'d like to think they're crawling to Washington to negotiate

    let's hope the americans don't **** it up, since after all we are paying the biggest price (after the Ukrainians of course)



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,664 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Nothing big here. They are collecting expelled diplomats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Yes. They will "Win" the war. But win it like the US won in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's a long time loser.

    As the army moves out and invades further they'll become thinner. There are hundreds of thousands of guns and weapons out there with the public. They'll have to find a way to rebuild the cities they are going to level and have their chosen Pro-Russian leader justify the fact that millions are displaced, homeless, unemployed.

    They'll have nobody to do general police work. Their chosen Russian official MPs, Mayor's etc will be assassinated on a weekly basis.

    And that's all before we get to the fact that Russia won't be able to afford any of this as they have been chucked out of the international community.

    Invading Ukraine was one of the worst Ideas in the history of the world. It is so flipping bad that Putin may have to continue invading places to put the country into a total war standpoint, of to stop the Russians having ideas of their past normal lives.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Seriously lads you'll have to try a lot harder. I know some have to big up Putin but there's a limit to incredulity.

    The attack on the Nuclear Power Station was verified by the UN's nuclear watchdog. Maybe you should try doing a little bit of research before trying that type of crap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I don't have the time to go comprehensive link chasing, but here is a quick taster:

    "18th February 2022 | Press Releases

    Green Party launches bill to keep Ireland LNG Free"

    https://www.greenparty.ie/green-party-launches-bill-to-keep-ireland-lng-free/

    "How the battle for energy independence was lost

    ...

    Green Party member and Belgian Minister of Energy, Tinne Van der Straeten, who is stauchly against nuclear power, previously worked for the law firm that defended Russian gas giant Gazprom’s interests. Van der Straeten argues for a Belgian future run by 100% renewables, but omits the fact that they will remain reliant on gas imports.

    Belgium’s seven nuclear reactors are due to be shut down by 2025. They currently provide half of the country’s electricity and will be replaced by gas-fired power stations to fill the energy gap." https://capx.co/how-the-battle-for-energy-independence-was-lost/

    "The haste with which the outgoing SPD-Green government finalized and financed the German-Russian pipeline can be explained only on the basis of its determination to “create facts” that would require a new conservative government to adopt a pro-Russian policy similar to that pursued by the SPD-Green coalition. What is at stake in the Gazprom issue is nothing less than the axis of Germany’s foreign policy." https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2006/04/schr-a14.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    One of their guys got kicked out of the UN the other day for espionage. I would imagine they are collecting people.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,254 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    I just beat a very aggressive Russian out of some money playing poker…. I like to think of it as me personally implementing sanctions



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You will have to work harder on your reading comprehension. I referred specifically and repeatedly to claims that "Russia shelled a nuclear power plant".

    Do you understanding that shelling has a specific meaning? Soldiers securing an area and exchanging small arms fire is not "shelling a nuclear power plant". It has been confirmed that there was a fire in a training building, meanwhile various ghouls in this thread were up at 3am watching grainy footage and telling us that Russia was shelling a nuclear facility.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Think that through for a minute. This means the sanctions are, in Putin's eyes, enough justification to start WW3. A declaration of war is no less serious in consequence to Russian planes being downed over Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They won't even win it like the U.S. won those conventional military invasions vs the armed forces of those countries in 2001 and 2003, respectively because Russia is already sustaining much worse losses than what the U.S. sustained in similar periods. Not to mention their progress through Ukraine has been quite slow so far, they're being hit with massive sanctions and their foe has the backing of the western world. Russia may win the war, but it's going to be seriously arduous, bloody and brutal, to see through even the military campaign proper in their apparent objective of taking Ukraine as a whole.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭Longing


    What ere you not getting here. Stepping inside the grounds of a nuclear power plant with live animation and firing indiscriminately is act of terrorism. Yes I watch it live And if the had fired at one reactor by mistake we would have the like's of you saying "They didn't fire at the other three".



  • Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Russia have "seized" a psychiatric hospital with 670 patients in a town near Kiev apparently. I mean ffs like.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Er, BNBs. There must be thousands, each able to take at least 4.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,191 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    It goes back to before Communism to the time of the Tzars. It was that type of inequality that led to the revolution. But Stalinism quickly turned things back pretty much to Tzarist ways and after the 90's, we have the situation we see now with, again, a wealth inequality that's absolutely staggering.

    It breeds a lot of resentment, but ingrained in the Russian psyche is a natural endurance. As a people they have always been poorly led, but they also resign themselves to that as well. They naively believed, as a lot in the west did too, that they were going to get a democracy when their "Communism" fell apart. But all they got was another power grab and we are where we are today. But it happens continuously because the Russian people have learned over hundreds of years to put up with things.

    There are places outside of the likes of Moscow and St. Petersburg that haven't changed in a century. Little towns and villages that, approximately, look and feel the same since pre-revolutionary times. There are places in eastern Russia that spend all summer preparing to be cut off in the winter and that's the way they've done it forever. There were efforts made since the 70's to move entire Oblasts to more urban areas or to at least try to modernise them. You can see strange images of rural towns with these massive city blocks standing in the middle looking really out of place. But they're hundreds of miles from anywhere. There are still millions of Russians who live in extreme rural circumstances, and I'm not talking about something like Hackballscross. I mean really cut off.

    I've no doubt that people like that don't even know that there's even a war going on in the Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Well they fired at a nuclear plant but did not hit the nuclear part of it and caused a fire in an ancillary building. This in turn led to footage and speculation about what had happened. Most people would agree that firing at or near a nuclear power in any form is not a good idea so not sure what else what it is you think people will learn from this post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Perseverance The Second


    For a little bit of context

    Those SU-34 aircraft cost around $40 Million a piece (as per Forbes) and are some of the most modern aircraft in the Russian Airforce.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 665 ✭✭✭goldenmick



    That's the tourism trade fecked then. Big hit to the Irish economy.



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