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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,450 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Greens still managing to block the gas terminal being built tho



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭ginger22


    In the Sunday Business Post today.

    All Irish farmers will be asked to plant some of their land in wheat, barley and other grains, as part of emergency plans being drawn up by the government to offset a predicted food security crisis in Europe amid Russia’s ongoing assault on Ukraine, the Business Post understands.

    It comes as the EU plans to introduce emergency measures to slash its energy dependence on Russia by rebuilding its reserve stocks of gas and oil, while also turning to alternative sources of energy commodities in other parts of the world. The Irish government, meanwhile, plans to bring in a “swing mechanism” for excise duty on fuel that means it would fluctuate in value depending on when oil prices go up or down in a bid to keep prices somewhat stable at the pumps.

    While the focus of European leaders is on responding to the humanitarian crisis created by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and in punishing Vladimir Putin’s regime through financial sanctions, they are also bracing for major disruptions to both food and energy supply chains as Russian forces escalate their assault on several Ukrainian cities.

    In Ireland, Charlie McConalogue, the Minister for Agriculture, has assembled an emergency team within his department to develop a new scheme to encourage farmers to grow significantly more native grains this year in a bid to offset the likely shortfall in grain supplies from the Black Sea region, which accounts for about a third of the world’s wheat production.

    The last time the country introduced such a measure was during World War II when tillage rules meant every farmer in the country had to plant at least one acre of land in crops to support food supplies. Similar steps were also taken during World War I.

    Ireland imports about 60 per cent of the five million tons of grain it consumes each year, with most of it used in animal feed and some in human foodstuffs. Ukraine is Ireland’s largest supplier of maize corn, which is used in animal feed, while Russia is also a major supplier of chemical fertiliser.

    The Business Post understands McConalogue wants to see the scheme rolled out rapidly as the window for planting spring crops closes in the next six weeks or so.

    “Food is our most crucial resource in such times and Irish farmers are world leaders in the production of safe, sustainable and healthy food,” a spokesman for McConalogue said.

    The move comes as the EU prepares to introduce emergency measures to shore up its energy supplies in the likely event that Europe will be cut off from Russian gas supplies altogether in the coming months, whether through choice or through retaliatory sanctions from Russia.

    Russia accounted for almost 50 per cent of natural gas imports in Europe last year and 25 per cent of crude oil imports. It also accounts for close to 50 per cent of EU coal imports.

    Some member states are more dependent on Russia for their energy security than others, with Germany importing up to 70 per cent of its natural gas and 25 per cent of its crude oil needs from the country.

    To mitigate this exposure, the EU plans to restock gas storage facilities on the continent in advance of next winter, increase the volume of liquefied natural gas (LNG) imports, and solidify energy solidarity agreements between member states that should result in more balanced rationing in the event of shortfalls.

    The emergency proposals will also include new tools for member states to help alleviate the pressure of ongoing energy inflation on households.

    As markets continue to price in the full impact Russia’s invasion of Ukraine will have on global supplies of key commodities, oil and gas prices have soared to record highs in the past week, which will further drive up costs for European households.

    The Business Post has learned that the Irish government is planning to introduce a “swing mechanism” for excise duty on fuel that will fluctuate in value depending on when oil prices go up or down. The government is prepared to cut excise duties on fossil fuels like petrol and diesel, particularly if prices continue to rise beyond a threshold of €2 per litre at the pumps.

    Additionally, Eamon Ryan, the Minister for Energy and Climate, said the government plans to release 227,000 barrels of oil from the state’s national oil reserves as part of a global effort to release 60 million reserve barrels and ease the pressure on global energy markets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Putins done more in a week to focus 1st world governments minds on food security then under normal circumstances what would be a generation, the green lobby in this country are about to go very quiet by the looks of things



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭straight


    They were told often enough about what they were doing to the world's food security. Will this bring the re-wilding craze to an end so....



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    Must ask if we can drain and plant the SAC commonage.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Green Core thought it was a great idea to kill the Irish malt and the sugar beet industry. Only if we had it now we be in a great position. All the jobs both of these industries provided.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,977 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    There is hardly much spare capacity to harvest and dry much additional cereals?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Or contractors to sow/ manage them



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Theirs a yard beside us that's been mothballed the past 10 years was used for malting barley for Guinness, now its a warehouse depot for a haulage company, circa 12,000 ton capacity I think can't remember exactly used to work summers their and top of the range drying system fully integrated to fill the 3 storage sheds with elevators was only in use for 3 years when it was parked up, its only a drop in the scheme of things but its their all the same



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Theirs plenty of capacity machinery wise out their with the kit lads are running nowadays, where does Charlie reckon the fertilizer especially along with to a lessor extent seed and sprays is going to come from, 20 litre drum of roundup is circa 260 euro at the minute, to get any uptake at all in getting extra acres into cereals they'd need to be making payments of 400 euro a acre upfront to entice lads,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,990 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭ginger22


    But the power that be think they can use and abuse farmers any way they like. They dont care if its profitable or not. They think we should twist and turn to suit their agenda. Can you imagine last that havent grown cereals in living memory to be now expected to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Very little compared to 30 years ago. All imported now



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    They will probably use the stick approach and tie it to your sfp, with a mandatory requirement for 5% of farmed area in crops, where the inputs are ment to come from is still the million dollar question



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭straight


    They are spoilt because the farmers always deliver and they know that. If it means taking on another job to subsidize the farm, sending the wife out to work, working with inferior equipment, working 100 hours a week, the farmer always delivers. Well, maybe it's time to leave them phuck off and let them plant a south facing window box.



  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    It's not going to be practical to achieve this if I understand it correctly. For example if a farmer had 100 acres of grass land, he is expected to sow 5 acres of corn. That's not going to be very efficent. I know we maybe in unprecedented times and all that.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    No way is it achievable in my area or in south Kerry overall. We have the land to grow good crops and the machinery to get it in the ground and sprayed.

    It's the combines and handling of the grain afterwards. Few old classic combines around and that's it. Corn grown locally is more a hobby really. I suppose people would gear up in time for harvest if the acres were there. Concentrate on the areas with the equipment and expertise already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Since the late 80’s / early 90’s Irish made means very little with allot of industry’s wiped out cos it was cheaper to import. Now that imports aren’t as easy sourced they remember these things were once easily available throughout this island. Main issue is when all is they’ll go back to importing cheap in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    You hit the nail on the head there. Farmers were kicked to the kerb when it suited now they are needed again. The wheel always turns. Interesting times again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    We should learn from the most recent opec meeting it took them 13 minutes to decide the weren't going to ramp up production of oil..talk about having a strangle hold on the market..

    A couple a cent on milk or beef and the Irish farmer is eating there neighbours for land to produce more.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Are you applying any bag fert at all now? If so how much and how often?

    Are you using different foliar sprays at different times of the year.?

    Have you modified the sprayer at all?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭ginger22


    Wouldnt get too carried away with results this Spring. We have cows out grazing grass covers the likes I have never seen before, no fertilizer spread yet, those paddocks didnt even get slurry. Shure the lawn has already been cut twice this Spring.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,166 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Yea, Farmers aren't fools, if there was any advantage in those ''cocktails'' wouldn't everyone'd be using them, You should see the recommendations in Facebook when someone asks if there's a cure for orf in sheep



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Seed will definitely be an issue. I was only talking to a rep yesterday about getting seed barley as after 8 years out of it I’m considering going back into it. He’s to ring me Monday to see if any can be got. They’re already under pressure trying to get supply for their existing orders.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭cjpm


    Pity we shut down a state of the art recently expanded and upgraded Beet Factory in Mallow. Those responsible should be in jail. Some bullshit excuse that they were referring to an out of date report. Fcuk those reports.

    A blind man could have seen the value of that factory to all of Munster.

    It would be some asset to have now. And on a rail line too to keep Eamonn Ryan happy too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,228 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Plenty of tillage quality land taken up in glas traditional hay meadows around here. Allow lads plough and sow corn in there and still pay them glas on it. Be a large uptake on that and grown from ley it should yield too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    Ah I know sure grass never stopped growing this winter, we're high and cold here and we have the world of grass.

    But I don't think there's any harm in being open to alternatives as the world is being turned upside down, far as I can see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I am not a farmer and have being giving out for years that we do not grow vegetables as we have the climate... we like to buy carrots for 10 cent a Kg and sell beef for €20 per Kg... Unfortunately all our farmers want is to drive big tractors and jeeps... the road i live on is a route to a mart and you want to see toys going buy... it is kinda status... There is very little real work in modern farming so be a wake-up call if grants shifted away from beef production...I do not see the point in growing cereal as there id not a flour mill in the country...

    I am wondering approx price of fertiliser per ton over the last 5 years...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,693 ✭✭✭jaymla627




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  • Registered Users Posts: 914 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    I think there is an n missing from the end of that username.



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