Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

amacca · 06-03-2022 5:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741278#Comment_118741278

Unfortunately that's probably not going to happen...I say this based on nothing more than our govts ham fisted attempts to do anything at all really.

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2022 5:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741307#Comment_118741307

Yep.

the one thing they wont ever do is inconvenience a wealthy person.

pixelburp · 06-03-2022 6:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741307#Comment_118741307

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741371#Comment_118741371

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741278#Comment_118741278

With what laws? I'm not against the idea of putting oligarch money to good use but if we don't have the legal mechanism to seize assets or money then we can't reasonably hang the government over something they have legality to do; lambast them for what they do or don't do - not what they can't. But obviously open to correction. The closest might be CAB but presumably you need to at least show criminal intent or background before nabbing the cars and mansions.

We could add some new laws I suppose, fast track some new legislation .. but it'd want to be airtight constitutionally otherwise it'll get bumped by the President. And rightly so: the last thing we want is a leaky legislative sieve.

And that's aside from the other obvious question: do the oligarchs even have a footprint in this country? Cos if they do it'd be the first I heard cos it has gone unreported thus far. We have little of the kind of ... showy expressions of wealth these billionaires like to flourish.

amacca · 06-03-2022 6:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741492#Comment_118741492

It's been mentioned on Irish media there are brass plate type operations in the IFSC russian money transits through....

The extent of this or what purpose (laundering? Perfectly legit Etc), how long it might rest there and where its ultimate destination is I don't know......maybe its minor in the grand scheme of things then again maybe not....there seems to be a remarkable lack of clarity with a lot of "big" business these days....with multiple companies in multiple jurisdictions and companies within companies etc etc

I take your point though we can't just go and seize assets willy nilly etc and I might add it might be a much better idea to do it as a European collective etc etc

I just think if it is a problem our solution were we to go it alone is unlikely to happen quick enough to actually make much of a difference and if our people have anything to do with it, it will probably be ham fisted at best.....this is not a criticism of FG, FF, Greens etc.....I'd have even less faith in the "opposition"....the standard of politician in Ireland is woefully poor....

I do think as a principle though seizing oligarch assets to pay for the humanitarian mess Russia is causing might not be such a bad idea for Europe/further afield to adopt....

Pussyhands · 06-03-2022 6:37pm

As expected, the 20k figure is just to warm us to the idea. 80k....whats that? About 4 years worth of housing units built?

Great news for landlords and business owners who will get cheap labour!

ODriscoll · 06-03-2022 6:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740785#Comment_118740785

I have zero to answer for I;m irish and will not take any side in any senseless war, they are all the same, encouraged by corrupt politicians both sides.

But it is a terrible shame the Ukraniains of both all sides of this generational civil war don't agree with you.

No whataboutery or excuses, 2 wrongs don't make a right etc.., it seems is a selective argument.

ODriscoll · 06-03-2022 7:03pm

French national television, CNEWS, Anne-Laure #Bonnel, French war reporter, talks about the horrors the population of Donbass has been living since 2014.

States the Ukranian army have carried our war crimes since 2014 against their own people, those Ukranians who speak Russian and align themselves with Russia (Eng Sub)

https://twitter.com/LFCNewsMedia/status/1499767611109871619

Part 2/3

Can't find part 3 will add if found

but if you can speak French the original interview clip from yesterday is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdETdJfYDhw

pixelburp · 06-03-2022 7:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741732#Comment_118741732

Your insistence this is some kind of "civil war", or that the Ukrainians are somehow to be blamed for russian hostility is a shameless attempt to Both Sides a situation that really can't justify it. Your constant attempts to exaggerate the impact of right wing elements in Ukraine can never justify the false, criminal incursion by the Russian army, no matter how hard you insist it through flimsy means. It's not holding any water and maybe you're best dropping the argument so transparently bad faith.

ODriscoll · 06-03-2022 7:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741278#Comment_118741278

I expect many will care how many, maybe not in principle but in a reality where many Irish have little to no prospect of ever owning a home, even to rent one is extremely difficult even if a couple together are both working.

But a very good idea to take the billions from those who sponsor Putin to make it possibly work.

They will need to go after these also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_oligarchs

ODriscoll · 06-03-2022 7:14pm

Maybe start with this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihor_Kolomoyskyi

Apparently he has links to the President of Ukraine, President Joe Biden's son Hunter, and the extreme far right Azov

In April 2014 Kolomoyskyi offered a bounty for the capture of Russian-backed militants and incentives for the turning in of weapons.[44] He also is believed to have spent $10 million to create the Dnipro Battalion,[43][45] and also funded the Aidar, Azov, Dnepr 1, Dnepr 2, and Donbas volunteer battalions.[46]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/03/31/how-hunter-bidens-interests-overlapped-with-banned-ukrainian-oligarch/

Let's get them all, maybe then we might be able to prevent these billionaires who fund divisions, promote simplistic story lines with their own agenda, simplistic narratives so simple people can hate those they do not even know.

That is the reality of war after war after war.

Nothing will ever change if we think it's just Putin and his cronies up to extremes of greed and evil.

Fighting Tao · 06-03-2022 7:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741732#Comment_118741732

But they are not all the same. One is the invader, the other is the defender. Huge difference.

Widdensushi · 06-03-2022 7:21pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741732#Comment_118741732

How can you say that you have not taken a side, your posts are pure propaganda, as for being Irish, i doubt it, a relatively new poster at a guess only going around multiple threads posting on one issue.

liamtech · 06-03-2022 7:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741889#Comment_118741889

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741823#Comment_118741823

If i have to accept punishment for this so be it. I cannot avoid doing this any longer

@ODriscoll - You are

A Disgrace to this thread. You are not debating anything here. You are simply throwing nonsense links and posts up, here, and elsewhere on this site - you rarely if ever, respond. And when you do, nothing you say addresses the issues. You make nothing but a fool of yourself.
Your links, your 'evidence' is utter nonsense. Iv addressed the questions of timeline with you in multiple posts. You never address it - because you cant. You simply distort facts, and spread falsehoods
One can only assume you are extracting a grim odious pleasure out of this situation, and are simply enjoying this farce (the farce i refer to is: You post nonsense - have it demonstrated to you that it is nonsense - You post again (refusing to engage) - are responded to with more debunking and on and on it goes)
Referring to this conflict as a CIVIL WAR - IS SICKENING - i am SICKENED by your attitude, and your views
I wont respond any more - it is clearly pointless - nothing i say makes a dent - you have hitched your wagon to your views and undoubtedly view yourself as heroic for doing so - in reality you are a fool, and you amplify that position with every post

iColdFusion · 06-03-2022 7:35pm

So hypothetically if Poland and those NATO countries with a border invaded all the west of Ukraine that isn't yet under attack and Ukraine was like 'oh no we surrender" would that whole area then be part of NATO and potentially out of Russia's reach?

Widdensushi · 06-03-2022 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741853#Comment_118741853

Were you at the odriscoll clan gathering, i guess not you picked an Irish name to catfish your profile.

hotmail.com · 06-03-2022 7:47pm

100,000 refugees may come here according to one minister.

iamwhoiam · 06-03-2022 7:48pm

The best thing is not to quote that poster and let the post fade away unnoticed

Brussels Sprout · 06-03-2022 7:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741732#Comment_118741732

have zero to answer for I;m irish and will not take any side in any senseless war, they are all the same, encouraged by corrupt politicians both sides.

Again and again and again. Every single post. On some level you know that the Russians are on the side of wrong and the Ukrainians are on the side of right so it'd be absurd to claim the opposite. No, instead you try and drag the Ukrainians down to the Russian level with your Bothsidesing. Guess what - nobody's buying it!

It’s not just the media that gets accused of bothsidesing. The term also arises whenever a public official—or anyone with a large listening audience—equivocates about a seemingly condemnable action by saying that the people on either side of that action are equally responsible for it having taken place.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/bothsidesing-bothsidesism-new-words-were-watching

lawrencesummers · 06-03-2022 7:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118741492#Comment_118741492

whatever laws are good enough for italy to be seizing yachts.

and there is plenty of money, if they can be bothered freezing it and then taking it.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40814802.html

brady12 · 06-03-2022 7:56pm

is there a reliable way i can send money to ukranian army or local defence forces ?

Brussels Sprout · 06-03-2022 8:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742131#Comment_118742131

https://twitter.com/DmitryOpines/status/1497487832285339648

fryup · 06-03-2022 8:48pm

***No Fly Zone***

exactly how can that be administered?? and why are NATO key to it?

Nody · 06-03-2022 9:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742392#Comment_118742392

Patrolled airspace escorting/shooting down anything not allowed to fly in a specific area; NATO is the key because Ukraine can't enforce one and they would need NATO to do it (which would mean open fire on Russian airplanes and helicopters in practice). Think of the no fly zone USA implemented in Iraq to stop the Kurds from being bombed after the first invasion enforced by the USA.

hotmail.com · 06-03-2022 10:12pm

Rather bizarrely, two Fianna Fail politicians Timmy Doley and Billy Kellagher, visited Ukraine today.

Was this sanctioned by the government?

Aren't we supposed to be neutral?

StringerBell · 06-03-2022 11:27pm

What's it got to do with neutrality? Bizarre inference if you ask me.

SafeSurfer · 06-03-2022 11:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740039#Comment_118740039

I don’t understand why you think what happened to Russia will not force other countries to re evaluate how their foreign reserves are held.

Why would diversifying their reserves sink their economy and what does “the greenback is undefeated mean”?

Sterling was the global reserve currency.

Tempora mutantur

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russia-central-bank-freeze-may-hasten-peak-world-fx-reserves-mike-dolan-2022-03-02/

hotmail.com · 06-03-2022 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743279#Comment_118743279

They were told by the people in Ukraine they want more weapons. Ireland has abstained from any funding in relation to weapons to Ukraine.

Time our politicians kept their mouths closed in relation to these global matters and let the big countries fight it out for themselves, as we have done for the last 100 years.

Curious_Case · 06-03-2022 11:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742392#Comment_118742392

There's talk of Poland giving their Mig 29s to Ukraine and the US giving something similar to Poland

I've no idea how exactly a Mig 29 compares to what the Ukrainians already have, I'm just quoting the guy

https://youtu.be/5geWA2CxU7o

Yurt2 · 06-03-2022 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743300#Comment_118743300

The dollar supplanted sterling as the world's reserve currency simply by dint of the transfer of gold reserves from Britain to the US after WW1. The post WW1 dollar was essentially sterling mk.2

Gold reserves are moot now. As long as lynchpin oil countries price in dollars, its status as reserve currency remains secure. And the reason core oil-producing countries like Saudi (above all), Kuwait, and UAE always price in dollars is come hell or high water, the USA will backstop their security with overwhelming force - that's the compact. If they abandon the dollar, the US would allow another power like China or Russia to step in and feast on these countries - and those countries simply don't want that. The compact as it stands has made them extremely wealthy, and bar a few hiccups (cough 9/11 cough murdering journalists in Istanbul) the relationship is marked by a large degree of trust.

It's no secret that the US - Saudi relationship, although an extremely odd one, is a keystone relationship that makes the dollar unassailable - and as long as Saudi control the spot price via what they decide to do with their taps, countries need dollar reserves to pay for energy and to hedge against risk. Perhaps climate change might change that, but I doubt it.

That's what I mean by the greenback is undefeated, and if you take a look at the below chart, you can see that the dollar is going nowhere, and RMB,rouble or any other concoction aren't even on the map.

SafeSurfer · 06-03-2022 11:52pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743362#Comment_118743362

I don’t get this fixation with a no fly zone which would inevitably widen the conflict.

We have had post after post on the Russia thread pointing out that the Russian airforce has hardly been active and when they have been their losses have been immense.

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