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Are Mick Wallace and Clare Daly Irelands greatest shame?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I'm going to respectfully disagree with the first half of this. I don't think Wallace and Daly showed their true colours when they were in the Dail with regards their full throated support of despicable regimes. For many people they were the independents who took on the Gardai over the Maurice McCabe scandal and were targeted as a result. Sure they had some other problematic issues and events in their past but nothing on the scale of what they have said and done since becoming MEPs.

    Wallace's wikipedia page has entire sections on his views on Russia and China but tellingly they are under the section outlining his time as an MEP.

    The Irish electorate is reasonably moderate and Irish people by and large are very unhappy (to put it mildly) with what they have been saying. They're also aware that other countries are associating them with Ireland first and foremost. That's embarrassing and people do not like that.

    I don't believe there is a chance that either of them will be re-elected should they choose to run again in 2024. They'll have a core vote that'll probably approximate to PBP type numbers but that won't be enough to get them over the line. Personally I hope to see them run just so I can enjoy them getting rejected by the electorate.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭touts


    Traitor in Chief Claire Daly on This Week claiming the Russians were taunted and harassed for years and have had enough and are only protecting "their turf".


    Can we hold a recall election. This woman and Wallace must be removed from office immediately before they do any more damage to the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,209 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    Unfortunately not. We'll just have to wait for another 2 years to vote the two of them out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You get the politicians you deserve. If people vote for fruitcakes (or stay home because they couldn't be bothered) then they should put up with the result.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That’s far from a fair summary of the position she set out in the interview.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They were exceptional in helping Garda McCabe and really did the country a great service in that.


    Like many of the modern left they still view things from an opposition to the West perspective, and that drives them to take positions that are Bizarre, often contradictory, often backing people who are politically their extreme opposite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭touts


    It is a very exact summary of her meaning. Yes she was challenged on it several times and she huffed and puffed and denied saying it but then would say it again. She no longer represents the people of Ireland and needs to be removed from office.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,797 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Two absolute clowns....I think they have seriously misjudged the public's mood...surely it will turn a load of people off voting for them (you would hope)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You forgot to summarise how often she condemned the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    Post edited by AndrewJRenko on


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭touts


    You forgot that every time she half-heartedly criticised (I wouldn't call it condemned by any stretch of the imagination) the Russian invasion it was when she was challenged to do so and was always followed by a "but". The but negates the criticism.

    Daly needs to resign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That's a lie. Here introductory comment was;

    Question: I asked who she was representing when she voted against the resolution on Tuesday, was it her own political ideology or was she representing the Irish people?

    Answer: I think I was very much representing the mandate with which I contested the European elections, and every election before that, that war and militarism isn't a solution to any conflict, that Ireland as a neutral country should very much put itself forward in arguing for a diplomatic resolution. So while forthrightly condemning the Russian illegal invasion of Ukraine, and the voting record shows that we voted for those parts of the resolution, what we opposed was the increasing of arms into Ukraine, the accelaration of NATO involvement and the accelleration of military, militarism, military expenditure inside the EU, which is something that [interruption]

    [my bolding for clarity]


    No huffing and puffing, no ifs or buts, no 'being challenged' on it - she condemned the invasion (which you conveniently omitted from your 'summary') and condemned the further militarism.

    I don't have much time for her, and her plan to solve the problem by asking Putin nicely to stop seems a little far fetched, but if you're going to have a go at her, you might at least do it honestly and accurately. Here's the full interview, for anyone interested; https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22070823/

    RTE gave 14m30s to her interview, about three times what they gave to any other item, including their update on what was happening in Ukraine itself.

    Were they trying to give her enough rope?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,776 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    She wouldn't be smart enough to know what to do with the rope 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,938 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    From that text for what she said, it seems she condemns the increase of arms into Ukraine, but doesn’t say why that’s happening and also why NATO are involved on their eastern flank is because Russia are acting the bollock.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I've had only a brief look for this, but is anyone aware of a Procedure for Recall of MEPs under the European treaties?

    I'd absolutely love to get involved in such a campaign if legally possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    That’s about 30 seconds out of a 15 minute clip. If you want to have a go at her, listen to the interview.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭touts


    I'm sorry but you are the one that is bare faced lying. You have taken one answer in a car crash interview and claimed that is the main point of the 14 minutes. This was the highpoint in one of the most disgraceful interviews I have ever heard by an Irish politician. She actually used the phrase "their turf" to describe Russia's relationship with the sovereign state of Ukraine.

    She is an apologist for Putin and for the murder of innocent civilians. She claims she has a mandate but no one voted for her to support Putin in this war.

    Your woman must resign or be recalled as an MEP immediately and if you have any shred of decency in you, you will tell her that tomorrow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,594 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    The pair of them are a disgrace. Daly today saying there wasn't a military solution and that negotiation was the answer. Putin isn't interested in that and is murdering civilians so how exactly is there to be a negotiated settlement? She knows that full well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I didn’t say it was the main anything. I just pointed that your summary of the 15 minute interview was inaccurate and incomplete.

    Take all the swipes you want at her, but keep it accurate.

    I don’t think she’ll be in my office tomorrow, but if she is, I’ll be sure to pass on your message.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,498 ✭✭✭touts


    Look online. The reaction to her interview is universal disgust. You can apologise and make excuses for her all you like but she is clearly on the wrong side in this no matter how her remaining loyal supporters and staff, such as yourself, attempt to spin her pro-Putin stance as some sort of peace campaign.

    Time to go!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,474 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    what we opposed was the increasing of arms into Ukraine

    So she's fine with Ukranian resistance to the invasion as long as it's carried on with rusty WW2-era rifles?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    People should replay their comments over footage of Ukraine men, women and children being attacked come the next election…to attempt to justify it is sick in the head stuff.. don’t want those sorts of individuals in Leinster House.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    I, for one, agree with everything Wallace and Daly have said.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I dont actually think either Wallace or Daly are actually Putinbots - for the record. I dont. I do genuinely think that when it comes to this conflict - they are completely out of their depth. Out of their Depth. And given that they dont realize this fact, they may continue to blunder along for quite a while. And it is embarrassing, and shameful.

    I will leave Wallace aside for now. Never a fan even before this, and not my TD/MEP


    I said earlier in the thread i had a lot of respect for Daly. I did. She was my TD, but in truth i never quite understood her 'Rush for Brussels' - it never made sense to me, given her anti establishment attitudes, along with the issues her constituents care about. Someone else earlier asked me whether I saw this type of attitude coming? I honestly did not, BUT, maybe i should have.

    Had she been merely a TD, perhaps this wouldn't matter as much but she is an MEP. The EU has greatly impressed me in how it is dealing with this new reality. Clare is a fly in that ointment; it would not be an exaggeration to say, that this is her preferred modus operandi. But the EU, is morally, ethically, and politically correct in this conflict. And it should not be that difficult for her to see that. If she is unwilling to side directly with the EU, then she should say nothing. Arguing that the EU is in the wrong here, is blatant nonsense. Doing it publicly when the world is watching and we all need to roll in behind the 'LITERAL GOOD GUYS' - yes i am embarrassed to have my MEP blame NATO and even the EU for this conflict

    I reiterate my decision from earlier. As a constituent of Fingal/North Co Dublin - i will NOT be giving her any votes - so long as she remains entrenched in this position. And i will urge others accordingly. Not suggesting that i can effect an EU ELECTION - but, i have a big mouth, im not ashamed to say, and i plan to use it

    Clare Daly needs to catch up with reality, but maybe we all do? The problem is, i dont think reality has set in for any of us. And to be fair, reality is changing so quickly every day, who knows where we will be next week. My problem with Clare is that until she realizes this new reality, (that we may be at the onset of Cold War 2). She really should not be involved in this discussion. But being anti establishment, and an 'activist' at heart - expecting her to remain silent is a non starter

    She is wrong to make claims about EU militarism. And she is wrong to be taking cheap digs at NATO. The Baltic states are depending on NATO, and we need to support them at the very least.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,074 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Let's remember that they opted to leave Leinster House by going for election to the European Parliament, from where they could could carry on indulgent gravy train politics, self appointed junkets of far flung socialist territories, from where they showed overt support to human rights abusing autocratic regimes, among others.

    I trust the Irish people will not forget all this, as well as their almost treacherous utterances and acts in the Parliament in recent weeks, when they are up for re-election in 27 months times.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    Well, maybe they'll do what the Ukrainian parliament did ban & persecute any left-wing opposition to their rule.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭BalcombeSt4


    "All we can do is remain firm in our stance"

    Or you could actually go to Ukraine, join a militia & fight the Russians, but I guess coming on here & calling anyone who has a different opinion than you a "red agent" in the pay of Putin is more fun.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,997 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    We seem to have different understandings of ‘universal’.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,886 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It may be a condemnation, but given it is followed with a denouncement of anything that would actually help stop the invasion or in any way help Ukraine, it is a completely empty one devoid of meaning. It is as useful as standing back saying "please everyone stop fighting" and refusing to help as the bully pummels the weak kid into the ground.

    It is parroting Russian tropes and talking points to deflect blame away from Russia as if there are two sides in this thing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,474 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


     It is as useful as standing back saying "please everyone stop fighting" and refusing to help as the bully pummels the weak kid into the ground.



    She described the war as an uneven flight and the measures that the European Union took to "hurl extra military hardware" into Ukraine is "not going to even up that fight".

    Surely the logical corollary of this stance is to appeal to the Ukranian resistance to lay down their arms and stop...resisting...At least if she and Wallace openly acknowledged this there would be some coherence to what they are saying



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