Russia - threadbanned users in OP

A nuclear war with NATO would be thousand times worse than whats happening now - it would probaly lead to the end of Europe, is comprimise not a better solution ?

if Russia had not such nuclear backup, I would agree with all the military intervention, but the sad reality is they do. nightmare scenario.

As I said it's an ultimatum to leave Ukraine within a specified time period 3 to 4 days and an immediate cessation of hostilities. Go back to your lands and there will be no attack. If you stay we will force you out. I think all Putins inner circle would jump at the chance to get out of this quagmire. If Putin disagrees then they'll need to deal with him. I doubt very many would be willing to put their lives and that of their extended families on the line for a guy who'll probably be dead in 18months anyway.

Poor, poor Russia. Why can't the whole world just stay out of it, and leave Russia alone with Ukraine so it can kick the sh*t out of Ukraine in peace in their illegal, unfounded and unjust invasion? Weh.

I wouldn't consider myself to be a military expert but as far as I know the Russians stopped building tanks in the early 2000s when production of the T-90 moved to India. The Russian defense budget then began to be spent on modernising the existing tank inventory while military contractors were tasked with the development of a next generation tank.

The Russian tanks that were used in the initial invasion of Ukraine date from the 1970s and 1980s. I'm specifically talking about the likes of the T-72 and T-80 battle tanks, over the years they have been modernised to use heavier armor and improved weaponry. In the Gulf War, those tanks were shown to be outdated relative to U.S. M1 Abrams which began production in 1979. The T-90 was produced afterwards. In the Chechen War, all of the Russian battle tanks proved to be death traps in urban warfare and a new tank model was required.

The T-14 Armata is the 'next generation' tank and we haven't seen any footage of it in Ukraine. It first made an appearance in the 2015 Victory Day parade and only a handful of them have been seen over the years. In 2016, it was claimed that the tank was in full production but only 7 of them have ever been seen at one time at a Victory Day parade.

It has been speculated that the T-14 was a piece of propaganda and that Russia didn't have the financial resources to order sufficient numbers for the manufacturer to put it into full time production and instead opted for the cheaper option of upgrading the older tanks.

It's possible that there are thousands of tanks mothballed in underground facilities in Siberia but the issue is likely to be whether there are personnel available to operate and support them. Fuel consumption is another issue - they are not known for their fuel efficiency and the T-80 tank in particular is reported to consume fuel at the same rate whether it is on the move or the engine is idling.

There were reports of the T-14 being deployed in Syria and that in a battle with insurgents one was destroyed and two others badly damaged but there was never any footage.

Yes, but my question still stands " what do the Ukrainians think of that idea?" After all, its their Country. Now there are rumors going the rounds about Putin being a terminal cancer case, also plans by one of the military top brass to "retire" him...so no one really knows what will happen. But for sure, there is no guarantee in the wide world that Putin will NOT press the nuclear button. He could decide that as he is going anyway, he will take the world with him...

Ukraine still have planes flying sorties, they obviously have places for the planes to land, refuel and rearm.

You make it sound like every single Ukrainian plane and runway is destroyed and they would be used for kamikaze missions ffs.

The problem with that analysis is that it is wrong. Ukraine had made their intention to eventually join NATO known in the mid 1990s. Russia has already invaded Crimea and has been stoking a revolution in Ukraine for nearly a decade. The idea that Russia only wants to live in peace with its neighbours and it's NATO that is the big threat is ludicrous.

The MIG-29 is an air superiority fighter and I'm not sure what role it can play if the Russians aren't flying.

The promised Su-25s are ground attack and they would be very useful, as long as they can avoid the Russian SAMs.

If the Su-25s are loaned then the Migs might be needed to keep them safe.

Macron and Scholz went to Moscow to "compromise with Putin". The creep was stringing them along and had already decided to invade Ukraine.

Hey bill; Poland has taken in 885,300 Ukrainian refugess - which is equivalent to 2.34% of it's population. Ireland has taken in a number that amount to 0.025% of it's population. Do you still feel so smug?

If you look up the definition of cúnt in the Oxford dictionary you'll find his picture. We should send that silver-spooned fúcker off to the Donbass for 12 months.

They still had to go through the motions.