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Random EV thoughts.....

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    #5672
    sh81722
    Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭sh81722


    Every new non-EV bought in 2022 will lead to second hand market having one less EV in years to come. People who complain about rich and their EVs are the same people who will be economically ripped off in 2027 when there are no sufficient numbers of used EVs in second hand market.



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    #5673
    breeno
    Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭breeno


    Thanks for the thoughts re the Clare trips folks!

    The Tesla is outside our budget unfortunately but plenty to ponder. I'd be worried about charger angst when on what's supposed to be a relaxing trip😂 I'm sure I'd get used to it though.

    Is there a school of thought that charger queues are inevitably going to become more of an issue as more and more people dive into EVs in the coming years?

    I'm not in a huge rush to change so maybe another year or two might see some new tech delivering further range at a reasonable price point.



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    #5674
    Manion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    Can't speak for all EVs but it's pretty standard on either the charging apps or the EV Navi to see if a station has free charging ports or not. The issue that can often happen is someone blocking a charger. So you'll get a good idea if there is already someone there.



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    #5675
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730655#Comment_118730655

    The worst is that you've been checking every 2 minutes for 20 minutes before arriving at the charger, and then literally as you're pulling in to the location, you see another car just parked up and about to start a charge...



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    #5676
    innrain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭innrain


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118730655#Comment_118730655

    ecars app/website is broken since November-ish. the color marker on the map means nothing now. You have to dig into the charger and check.

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    #5677
    Liam2021
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Liam2021


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118729846#Comment_118729846

    Yes I do this trip Meath to Clare 250km twice a month in an id4. never used a public charger only the granny cable when I get there. Usually I will have 40% charge after the trip. I plug in the granny cable at 5pm and it will be charged to 80% the next day at 12 noon. This will be a little different during winter months but never had an issue yet getting enough charge to come home.

    Pm me if you need anything else



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    #5678
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users Posts: 11,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Here's a random thought, say you have solar PV and something like a Zappi to divert excess solar


    On a sunny day you might be exporting a lot after charging your car. In that situation, would you start offering charging to other people?

    I mean, even when they bring in a FIT it'll be garbage, might as well give it to someone for free and cut out the electricity company

    On the other hand, if you were driving around and saw a sign saying "free charging, just plug in" outside someone's house, would you do it?

    Incidentally, I'm not giving away free charging, so don't turn up at my house unless you're stuck 😛

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #5679
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735819#Comment_118735819

    Would never work.

    Excess occurs over the course of the full day. It’s hit and miss with cloud coverage and house load.

    And the excess may only be 10 kWh over the whole day. That’s like 10% in my car. Add in the hassle now of moving my car for a stranger, having them there all day and they only gain a couple of %!



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    #5680
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users Posts: 11,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118735934#Comment_118735934

    Yeah fair point. The thought arose because there's 3 PHEVs owned by the neighbours that never get charged.

    I was thinking when I get solar I'd be tempted to get an extra long lead and plug them in on sunny days just to save some petrol fumes from going into the atmosphere

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #5681
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118736255#Comment_118736255

    That could work using the granny cable.

    😁



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    #5682
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,511 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Why would people buy phev but never plug them in?

    They should just have bought the ice version of the same vehicle.



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    #5683
    Bandana boy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,326 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

    Yes they should have but a massive % of phev are rarely charged and a large % never charged



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    #5684
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users Posts: 11,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

    Road tax and the VRT rebate that was on PHEVs at the time

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #5685
    Alkers
    Registered Users Posts: 6,829 ✭✭✭Alkers


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739379#Comment_118739379

    I think that's more in the UK than here



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    #5686
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118739104#Comment_118739104

    It only adds about 25-30miles to range on mo st of them so unless your one of those people who used to freewheel down every hill it's really not a big deal.



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    #5687
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,511 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740143#Comment_118740143

    But they are more expensive and heavier, so not sure why you'd buy one if you never intended to plug it in.

    And if we believe the stats out there of the avg distance driven each day by Irish drivers, then a fully charged phev would provide plenty of folks travel for the day, or at least a decent percentage of it.



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    #5688
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740153#Comment_118740153

    If you look at any of the secondhand ones for sale you'll notice that they usually have tiny mileage so weren't bought for economy, second car with wee tax



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    #5689
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740198#Comment_118740198

    If they've tiny milage then you should be charging every day as it's most likely been used for shop or school runs and possibly a short commute.



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    #5690
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740395#Comment_118740395

    Tenner of petrol probably does the week, faffing about with a cable by people who likely call an electrician for a blown light bulb isn't going to happen



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    #5691
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,511 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Plugging an EV in daily isn't a hassle, to call it faffing around is making it sound like it's some big deal. It's one of the things usually said by those that are anti-EV.

    If these cars have tiny mileage, it shows even more that they should have been plugged in daily, and they might have used next to no petrol at all. And considering they all qualified for a free charger only adds to the stupidity.



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    #5692
    TitianGerm
    Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740463#Comment_118740463

    If you can't plug something in you shouldn't be allowed to be in charge of a couple of tonnes of metal on a public road. It's operating a plug not bloody rocket science.



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    #5693
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118740630#Comment_118740630

    The car runs fine without charging, they likely bought it for the wee tax. People will happily give a motor dealer thousands extra for a car with wee tax rather than hundreds extra to politicians who'll only waste it on cocaine and rent boys anyway.



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    #5694
    Type 17
    Registered Users Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Type 17


    I know of someone who bought a PHEV SUV for the cheap tax, and on the first service the dealer told him he was damaging the battery by not charging it and just driving around on the ICE. He sold it and bought a diesel SUV...

    PS: Quick snippet on Ireland's wonderful charging network - drove from Waterford to Dublin the other day, stopped in Knocktopher for a quick charge, because you never know, and was glad I did because I stopped at Kilcullen to find one rapid charger Offline, and the other one occupied by a Hyundai which had been charging for nearly 2 hours (obviously some people don't care about the overstay charges). I drove on and charged a bit at Ionity on the N7 (could have got to Dublin without recharging any further, but the house I was going to doesn't have a charger, and I didn't want to arrive at 10% charge and then spend 20 hours with a granny cable out the window in these temperatures). Arrived at an AC charger near the destination house, to find it occupied by two EVs, charging since 09:20 and 11:00 (it was 15:00hrs). Set a "tell me when this point becomes available" on the eCars app, and went back when it dinged about an hour later. Can't wait to see how things look in a few years when EV sales have left the charging rollout even further behind...



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    #5695
    PaulJoseph22
    Registered Users Posts: 500 ✭✭✭PaulJoseph22


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118742209#Comment_118742209

    Charging network is a total joke and one dreads to think as more people buy ev…………



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    #5696
    irishgrover
    Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭irishgrover


    So it happened again last night... I had to Queue at a charger for the 2nd time in the last 3 or four years. Happened at Galway plaza. Leaf at the 50 and ioniq 5 at the 150. In fairness the ioniq left is less than 10 minutes. Last time this happened was Portlaise last year.


    FYI: For reference I've fast charger 53 times in the last year with esb and a handful of times with easygo.

    I'm exclusively WFH so my travel has significantly declined



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    #5697
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,511 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Charging network in NI is poor.

    I am in Coleraine morning and there is no 50kw charger in this part of the country at all from what I can see.

    Only 1 in Derry.

    And even quite a few of the 22kw ones around Limavady and Coleraine seem to be offline.



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    #5698
    the_amazing_raisin
    Registered Users Posts: 11,315 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118743625#Comment_118743625

    The good news is that there are enough people buying EVs that the commercial operators are starting to get interested. Ionity is starting to expand, we're seeing Circle K installing HPCs. Fastned and Instavolt are both looking for partners in Ireland as well

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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    #5699
    AndyBoBandy
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118744904#Comment_118744904

    This is the only way it's going to get better, because it sure as sh1t isn't going to get any better with eCars at the helm.

    M9 is going to be a regular occurrence for me now, and my only options going down are Ionity Kill (too close to home to be worthwhile), Kilcullen (too close to home but handy on the return, but either busy or not working right), or Bolton St carpark in Waterford (the only DC charger in or around the city, in an awkward carpark and busy (just checked and someone's plugged into the Type 2 on it)).

    A couple of DC chargers in Paulstown would be great. That services was opened in 2016, how is that or any services allowed to open now without EV charging facilities??


    At least the M11 has Gorey which covers the route well.. but on the M9, your best hope is the sh1tshow that is Kilcullen (and by the way, not sure if it's only me, but anytime I'm there, it's a bit of a kip, with overflowing bins and just generally untidy..)



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    #5700
    mfceiling
    Registered Users Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118745073#Comment_118745073

    Would knocktopher be an option? Just noticed another poster saying there's a 50kw charger there. Literally 2 minutes off the N9.



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    #5701
    boccy23
    Registered Users Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭boccy23


    With the price of petrol/diesel these days and also rising electricity costs, has anyone updated the running costs for BEV versus ICE recently?



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