What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Really? Because just a few post ago you were trying to patronise other posters views on the basis that they immigrants so couldn't follow the intricacies of the English language. And that was posters who were competently posting on Boards for years! But now you expect me to believe that you think all immigrants can speak English.

You betrayed yourself there.

Is it patronising when posters here argue that migrants who do not meet their very exacting standards should not be permitted entry into a country?

By their own individual standards, appears to be how they distinguish between migrants who are genuine, and those who are not, and should be denied entry, etc. It’s as though they imagine their subjective standards override objective international human rights laws and standards.

I’d say that meets the definition of patronising and condescending, as opposed to allowing for the fact that because someone says they’re a migrant, it’s not unreasonable to assume might have difficulty with the English language, especially as the language barrier has been consistently argued as a reason to prohibit immigrants from entering Ireland and Europe, based upon the argument that they don’t integrate into society in the country they immigrate to, because they don’t speak the local language.

It’s no coincidence of course that you’d get up on your high horse about that one, but anyone else making negative gross generalisations about migrants you appear to be perfectly capable of giving them the benefit of the doubt they’re not including you personally in their grossly simplistic generalisations.

Aye, seems legit 😏

I’m reminded of this sort of thing -

Earlier this week, Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov drew a distinction between those fleeing Ukraine and others.

"These people are Europeans," Petkov said. "These people are intelligent, they are educated people. ... This is not the refugee wave we have been used to, people we were not sure about their identity, people with unclear pasts, who could have been even terrorists ..."

https://www.npr.org/2022/03/03/1084201542/ukraine-refugees-racism?t=1646440753938

They're not the equivalent of each other - one is an assumption motivated by consideration and accommodation, the other is an assumption based upon perpetuating existing negative stereotypes about other people, like the numerous amount of posters who suggested the language barrier was sufficient justification to suggest immigrants don’t want to integrate into society, and there wasn’t a peep out of you then.

Now there is when you want to claim it’s unreasonable to assume that migrants would have difficulty with English? It’s nothing more than something you tried to leap on to score a cheap point is all. It’s the Prime Minister of Bulgaria has shown himself to be racist, but it would be unreasonable to assume Bulgarians, let alone Eastern Europeans as a group, are racist.

I was making the point that it’s the same sort of double-think you’re engaging in - because you’re from Eastern Europe, you’re grand, whereas it’s ok to perpetuate negative stereotypes about people from other countries as though ‘they’re not like us civilised folk’.

It’s very different to suggest that a country is racist, when the evidence isn’t there to support the claim, much like the way it’s claimed that immigrants are only coming to Ireland because they want to take ‘our’ money, when the evidence just isn’t there to support that claim.

The fact that immigrants are discriminated against in terms of employment, housing, education, is not just based upon their difficulties with the local language. It’s a contributing factor as to why the rate of unemployment is higher among immigrants of African origin for example - not because they’re African, but because of people’s prejudice informed by negative stereotypes about Africans. It’s also because of these factors that those immigrants who are employed, are vastly over-represented in low-paying employment. They’re not coming to take anyones money, they’re coming because they want to earn money of their own and make a better life for themselves and their families - that being second and third generation immigrant families whose children struggle in education because their first language is not the local language.

It wouldn’t be any different if we were referring to any other immigrants from other European countries where they don’t speak the local language, it’s not just English. It could be French, German, Portuguese, whatever. It’s not the same as suggesting they’re not educated or that they’re different from us because they speak a different language. Even on Boards it’s considered rude if I post in Irish and don’t provide a translation for those people for whom Irish is not their first language.

Just because I know a handful of immigrants who speak Irish, it would still be unreasonable to demand that immigrants must speak Irish and treat them unfavourably on the basis that I assume they should be able to speak Irish if they wish to integrate into Irish society.

While I wouldn’t inflict Peig on anyone, even I struggle with “contemporary” Irish, which appears to be an effort to sex up the Irish language in an effort to make the it more appealing to a new generation -

https://m.independent.ie/life/the-new-gaeilgeoirs-forecasts-of-the-irish-languages-demise-are-greatly-exaggerated-41264786.html

You can probably tell already, I’m not a fan of that kind of thing, seems more of an effort by a small group of people to be exclusionary in an attempt to differentiate themselves from everyone else, rather than any effort to be inclusive of as many people as possible 😒

Probably Soros or Gates. Same people who want to kill everyone but at the same time save a load of people.

No. Ive big issues with Microsofts business practices aswell. Also, she said that was one of the reasons. But associating with Epstein is different from him being a paedo.

I do find it funny that people actually believe Gates said he wants to murder 4 billion people. That'll never change.

But I don't deny there are a lot of immigrants with very little or no English because there a plenty. I'm just saying don't assume that all of us are like that, just like you don't assume that all muslims are jihadis, even when you see that quite a few are.

People of African origin should be here on a work permit basis, so they should not face difficulties in getting hired as doctors and engineers.

And again, I don't blame the immigrants. I blame authorities for their lax enforcement of border and immigration policies.

Heard Michael Martin on Pat Kenny talking about Ireland taking 80,000 refugees. This seems a very proportion to taken given our small size, how are we going to look after so many?. Given our relative sizes you'd expect the UK to take nearly a million in that case but seemingly they've only given out 50 visas so far and will be screening all refugees.

Is there any guesstimate figures on what it'd cost if we take 100k? Unless someone bumps off Putin the war will be going on for the foreseeable I reckon.

We have about 1% of the EU population??

100,000 seems way more than 1% of the UK refugees??

Good post. Cordell got shirty when the assumption was made about his English but in fairness it's clear from his posts that English is not his first language. Most of his posts have some kind of grammar mistake or another error. Is it a big deal - no, and it's not an English grammar forum so nobody is going to care. I guess there was a miscommunication and perhaps that assumption was made because the person saw errors in your posts that you might not have been aware of on a constant basis. Or maybe Cordell was aware of them and it touched a nerve that they were pointed out.

Sorry, I meant UKR.