Russia - threadbanned users in OP

The Chinese are not important in this scenario.

Russia has over 7000 nuclear warheads, America has over 6,800, once any exchange begins between these two countries the entire world will be both caught in the crossfire and subject to the immense nuclear fallout.

It isn't just Russia v America, it's Nato as a whole and European cities will be targeted first leading to tit for tat launches between Russia and European Nato member states running concurrently with ICBM strikes between Russia and America.

There are simulations of this scenario readily available online. It isn't speculation, this situation has been forecast for decades down to the smallest detail.

This is why nobody has interfered in Ukraine, the Russian troops in Ukraine would be crushed by Nato, but the retaliation for it would be cataclysmic.

That's fine until the nuclear launches begin.

People seem to have a real problem understanding just how devastating that scenario is. It's mind boggling.

Entertain us with your solution to the invasion please?

DAY 13

Come on Ukraine!

Less hysteria all round would be good

But are you're saying there if Putin doesn't get his way, he'll launch all his available nukes? Ergo we must give him what he wants?

Nuclear war might be unavoidable.

Russia, a nuclear power with what is believed to be around 35-40 ICBM launch sites in Russia, plus subs have invaded the Ukraine, a sovereign country of… 41.3 million people…603,548 km squared landmass of country. For example….The entire UK has a landmass of 242,495 km squared. The Ukraine is about 150% bigger then the mainland UK and Russia is giving it a go….struggling but…

Its difficult for people to understand in fairness. I sympathize with the obvious wish to do something in the face of horror. And more horror to come if the Russians attack Kiev directly with overwhelming force

Iv also seen several people talk about how a shooting war with Russia would be opening Pandora's box. I like the saying but i feel an alternative analogy is this: We opened Pandora's box in 1945 when we invented Nuclear Arms. If we could un-invent them - that would get my vote. But we cant, and things are as they are.

Apologies thought you were referring to today's

I think anyone with at least an average IQ understands the results of a nuclear attack.

The fact that Putin is making criticism illegal in his own country means he does not feel secure in the decisions he's already made. If he launched in with 'I'm doing this, it's going down my way and no one is going to stop me, either at home or abroad' then maybe there could be a case made that he has lost all sense of perspective and risk.

Lets play that out.

• West Warns Putin. No Fly Zone to be Implemented over Kiev in 24 hours
• Putin doesnt recognize their authority to do so. States he will not accept this and intends to continue
• 24 hours are up. NATO establish combat air patrol over Ukraine.
• Russian fighters engage Ukrainian targets on the ground
• NATO Intervenes
• Shooting war over Ukraine.
• Putin authorizes Russian Air force to attack NATO airstrips or an Aircraft Carrier
• NATO defends itself, and retaliates against Russian Airstrips.
• Putin launches multiple attacks on multiple NATO air strips and bases.
• Kremlin issues ultimatum to the west. Withdraw in 24 hours or a state of war will exist fully between the Russian Federation and NATO
• NATO Refuses.
• 24 hours elapse.
• Russia Launches first strike.
• Seeing this, NATO (US UK France) launch everything they have. Second strike.
• <END OF LINE>

Obviously the line of engagement could play out differently. Perhaps the west is the one issuing an ultimatum? We dont know. But roughly thats how it COULD go. It might go differently??? Now you could suggest there are several places where one side could back down. Obviously we want Putin to. ..... what if he doesnt? Do we?? Because that would be world ending in another way. No, at that point the US/NATO would be at defcon 1 - They would stand firm

Its unthinkable - but anyway.

Pretty accurate reflections of the day to day action on the ground if people want to follow

Why does NATO have to attack Russian airstrips ? - It would more than likely involve taking out on-the-ground anti aircraft sites but also the strips. At that point the shooting war, and retaliations against Airstrips/AA-Sites would be simply par for the course. Also, if Russia could not respond ~(the hopelessly bad scenario) - they could ASSUME that a defacto state of war exists with NATO, and jump straight to the Ultimatum line of the list

Putin would back down NATO strictly only defends and doesn't attack Russia. I am remaining polite and courteous, but you are assuming a hell of a lot. Russia, (consider the Russia of today, not last year. Today) could back down. But would they? Their choice, or more to the point, Putin. The purpose of having a nuclear arsenal is to ensure you DONT have to back down. You can DOUBLE down. Deterrence theory 101

The idea that Russia will choose to annihilate itself and the world over Ukraine is nonsensical. Less than a fortnight ago, i might have agreed. It has been a LONG TWO WEEKS. This is the closest we have come to a serious war since 1962

That aside what makes you so sure Putin is going to just stop at Ukraine if he succeeds? He has not attacked NATO. He is attacking a small independent nation that is unalligned. There has never been an instance, during the whole cold war, where two fully nuclear armed powers have been in a shooting war. Could he move on elsewhere and attack someone else. Will he? I dont know, speculation doesnt help anyone. I am glad Europe and Britain are between us and him. And i will say this, if i were a Russia Bordering country, i would be considering joining NATO ~(as Finland currently is) - I have worries for Moldova if im honest (google Transistria for more info - probably already discussed)

NATO has multiple ways to get involved. Again, absolutely no offence intended. But, no. They dont

The bottom line is i am 100% for assisting Ukraine in every way. I would support any and all weapons and equipment being sent to aid Kiev. Including Jet Fighters, AA, Anti Tank, - you name it. Sadly this is likely to play out as a proxy war... Plenty of precedents

Thanks for your kind words. I am genuine, and i feel HORRID about this whole situation, especially in Kiev. I could say way more (i am VERY ALARMED by the crazy statements coming from Russian Diplomatic channels. Saying Japan is 'siding with NAZI's again' and 'Germany should have been properly DeNazified' - in particular) - This is a horrid situation. And theres no equivocations for this. RUSSIA IS WRONG. But there in lies the problem - RUSSIA, IS ARMED

ALL IMHO of course -

Im off to bed - stay safe everyone. Slava Ukraini