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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    pfizer clinical trial data would suggest otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    It has been done to death on this thread if you bothered reading. So evidence please.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    No it doesn't. It just highlights that you don't understand what the trial data shows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Which data are you referring to and what do you believe it says?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    You are joking me, they are still going?

    It finally happened in humanity, we just had a pandemic, the entire world got vaccinated and some individuals are still trying to die on some hill about them being dangerous, it's amazing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    It will be the same excuses as on the covid thread.

    "We'll find out in a few years long after anyone remembers I claimed this"


    "We never said that it was dangerous, just that there were concerns."


    "This was all just a test to see how compliant we are. The next vaccine will have the poison/infertility drugs/secret nanotech/mark of the beast."

    Etc etc.

    Then can't just accept they were wrong and got scammed by con artists (again).

    As we've seen most have just gone quiet like @patnor1011. Some will just keep spamming shite they get fed as it gets fed to them from Twitter like @Phishnet.

    None will ever stop to wonder why they were so wrong. They will only reinvent reality so they were never wrong and that they were actually right all along.

    Which will leave them as a nice juicy target for the next round of con artists.


    It's a beautiful system really. A neverending supply of marks who will actively fight against realizing your scam is a scam and then will do all your advertising for you for free. And at the end of it all, they'll fall for the same thing again and again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭patnor1011




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    The vaccines have well been proven to be safe. That was the point you missed. No amount of lies, BS, or misinformation can change that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    That is your opinion. I will wait for results of ongoing trial.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet




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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,485 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Except that when this trial you keep hinting at and have decided is the only thing you'll trust comes out and doesn't say what you want it to say, you will change your mind and declare all of the results false.


    I remind you that you came into this thread by claiming that the dangers of vaccines were already clear and apparent. (We will ignore the fact that you had to knowingly misrepresenting data to do so and that you admitted as such.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Note how the only response you can give is to be pedantic.

    95%+ of Irish adults are vaccinated, multiple times.

    Despite that, lunatics still cling to the notion that these vaccinations are dangerous, we're all supposed to be dying from these vaccinations, where are all these deaths?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Wait and see"

    "Any day now"

    silence

    -The universal response from Covid conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and those who claimed all this would be permanent



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323


    Maybe time to move this out of conspiracy theory to main tread.

    Now that the Pfizer safety documents are coming out. Ye know. The ones Pfizer and the FDA wanted to keep under wraps for 75 years. Will take time considering theirs 10s of thousands of pages of go through. Here's one for starters.

    Appendix, Eight pages of Adverse Effects they they knew about last April. But to maintain profits they kept pushing their deadly jabs, even on children.

    No surprise really when one looks up their history and long list of convictions for criminality and out and out corruption, more court appearances to come it seems.

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    And concludes

    The data do not reveal any novel safety concerns or risks requiring label changes and support a favorable benefit risk profile of to the BNT162b2 vaccine.

    Review of the available data for this cumulative PM experience, confirms a favorable benefit: risk balance for BNT162b2. Pfizer will continue routine pharmacovigilance activities on behalf of BioNTech according to the Pharmacovigilance Agreement in place, in order to assure patient safety and will inform the Agency if an evaluation of the safety data yields significant new information for BNT162b2.

    Thanks for confirming!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭323



    Data from Israel an all this safety data that the FDA and Pfizer tried to keep locked away for 75 years data coming out, showing mortality rates of approx 3% r about 12 times higher than the first strains of Covid.. Am I the only person who has attended more funerals in the last year than the previous 20?

    There is now a strong possibility that Pfizer Could Lose Liability Protection an be open to being sued for countless wrongful deaths. Watch their stock.

    Moderna already down >70%

    “Follow the trend lines, not the headlines,”



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,608 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    is that an American "deadly jabs" or a Dublin "deadly jabs"?


    :D



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Moderna isn't down for the reasons you're insinuating.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,608 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    2 years ago modernas stock was $21, today its $128

    taking a rate out of context by saying its stock is down 70% just goes to show you havent a clue how to read stocks.

    gamblers lost money on moderna over the last year.

    Pfizers stock is holding steady over the last 6 months



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    So mortality rates of about 3% - so 3 of every 100 who gets the vaccine dies - so with 2.8m people in Ireland having had the booster that is 84,000 people who have died in Ireland due to the vaccine ?

    3.8m first doses ... that would equate to 114,000 people dead in Ireland.

    See where I am going with this ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Notmything


    That report was circulating in Twitter through a conspiracy nut. They were claiming much the same, roughly 3% fatality.

    Someone posted that it was actually going to be a 100% fatality rate and could prove it. Conspiracist was all over this as proof of everything.

    Until it was pointed out everyone will die, ergo if you got vaccinated you will die, didn't get vaccinated you will die, eventually.

    Said thread dissapeared asap. Just shows people will believe anything if it supports what they what to believe in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    And as I predicted

    It did the job, got more people to get vaccinated and in the end was not required. Jesus christ the screeching and infantile feet stomping this generated from the conspiracy and general crank community was over nothing as usual.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Id genuinely love to run a poll of where people are at now, people who posted conspiraloon madness in this thread and others.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,558 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Alas they all ran away with thier tails between thier legs, not even the decency to admit they were wrong. Close account, rereg and moved onto the next conspiracy



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,535 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    BBC reporting on study of various reporting systems data, including VAERS and v-link, that there's no link between Covid vaccines and deaths:



    Article based on this published in the Lancet:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(22)00054-8/fulltext



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Would love to see @patnor1011 's take on this given how he started this thread claiming the VAERS data showed that the vaccines were dangerous.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Again, with a quick Google (they all come up on the usual search engines btw), you can see what youre posting is silly.

    BKK Provita has separated from its previous board member Andreas Schöfbeck. "Embarrassing ignorance or insidious intent to deceive - I don't know what made the board of BKK Provita warn of alleged alarm figures for vaccination complications. In any case, the conclusions from the data situation are complete nonsense"


    "that don’t come up on the usual search engines, wonder why?"




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Phishy, you're back.

    Before link dumping the latest shite you found on twitter, could you confirm that you're abandoning and conceding. all of the previous points on this thread?

    Cause this isn't the first time you've link dump, then run away when your link is easily disproven.

    You keep doing this and think that it's accomplishing something. It's only showing that you anti-vaxxers are dishonest, misinformed and cowardly. It's only showing that your claims are easily debunked and can't be defended. You're only showing that people shouldn't believe what you believe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,809 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You seem to enjoy reading 2nd hand accounts (in this case 3rd hand) from amateur websites with agendas and believing the manipulated data or not noticing the purposely omitted data. Here is the source below. From the NY Times. Some of which was taken and used in the Epoch Times article (Epoch Times btw lol) and then further diluted and manipuated in that absolute shambles of an article you posted.

    Have a read.

    Amazingly, all available "on the usual search engines" 😮


    Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.” She said the agency’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”

    Another reason is fear that the information might be misinterpreted, Ms. Nordlund said.

    Dr. Daniel Jernigan, the agency’s deputy director for public health science and surveillance said the pandemic exposed the fact that data systems at the C.D.C., and at the state levels, are outmoded and not up to handling large volumes of data. C.D.C. scientists are trying to modernize the systems, he said.

    “We want better, faster data that can lead to decision making and actions at all levels of public health, that can help us eliminate the lag in data that has held us back,” he added.

    The C.D.C. also has multiple bureaucratic divisions that must sign off on important publications, and its officials must alert the Department of Health and Human Services — which oversees the agency — and the White House of their plans. The agency often shares data with states and partners before making data public. Those steps can add delays.



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