Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I would have read the "in which nuclear weapons are used" clause as qualifying both preceding clauses "If Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression OR an object of a threat of aggression" not just the immediately preceding clause, but I guess that's one for the international lawyers and grammar experts to argue over.

Russia have already ignored the terms of the above1994 Bucharest Memorandum and now the recent UN Security Council resolution ES-11/. https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3958976?ln=en

Recalling the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, signed in Helsinki on 1 August 1975, and the Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine’s Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (Budapest Memorandum) of 5 December 1994,

Condemning the 24 February 2022 declaration by the Russian Federation of a “special military operation” in Ukraine,

Reaffirming that no territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognized as legal,

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1. Reaffirms its commitment to the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders, extending to its territorial waters;

2. Deplores in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine in violation of Article 2 (4) of the Charter;

3. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately cease its use of force against Ukraine and to refrain from any further unlawful threat or use of force against any Member State;

4. Also demands that the Russian Federation immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw all of its military forces from the territory of Ukraine within its internationally recognized borders;

5. Deplores the 21 February 2022 decision by the Russian Federation related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine as a violation of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and inconsistent with the principles of the Charter;

6. Demands that the Russian Federation immediately and unconditionally reverse the decision related to the status of certain areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions of Ukraine;

The UN Security Council could pass a resolution to put UN forces in Ukraine. This could provide a broader and larger force than the Bucharest Memorandum alone.

In my view it should also consider the Russia's place as a permanent member of the UN Security Council considering its current and previous actions in Ukraine and the legal questions raised about the post USSR status of the Russian Federation's place on the UN Security Council.

Don't be silly.

Car manufacturers suspending production due to lack of parts.

BREAKING:

Poland has offered to hand over all 28 of its MiG-29 jet fighter jets to Ukraine via the United States.

The planes will be flown to the U.S. Rammstein Air Base in Germany.

Poland have asked for 28 F-16 in return from USA.

sic

Ah I remember a time in the past (anything beyond 3 weeks ago really) when similar claims were taken seriously by a portion of posters on this site.

"Russia has repeated allegations that the United States supported a military biological programme in Ukraine involving deadly pathogens including plague and anthrax – claims that the Pentagon has described as “absurd”.

Russia’s foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova said evidence of the alleged programme had been uncovered in Russia during what it calls its “special military operation” in Ukraine.

Zakharova said:

We can already conclude that in Ukrainian biological laboratories in direct proximity to the territory of our country, development of components of biological weapons was being carried out.

She went on to allege that Russia had documents showing that the Ukrainian health ministry had ordered the destruction of samples of plague, cholera, anthrax and other pathogens after 24 February.

Zakharova said the alleged programme was financed by the Pentagon and demanded transparency from Washington.

We are not talking here about peaceful uses or scientific goals... What were you up to there?

Russia “demands details”, she continued:

The US Defence Department and the presidential administration of the United States are obliged to officially explain to the global community, officially, not through talking heads, about the programmes in Ukraine.

Both the Pentagon and the Ukrainian government has strongly denied these allegations, and Reuters reports that it was not possible to independently confirm the authenticity of any such documents.

In response to earlier Russian allegations about the purported military biological programme in Ukraine, a Pentagon spokesperson said on Tuesday:

This absurd Russian misinformation is patently false.

A Ukrainian presidential spokesperson said Ukraine “strictly denies any such allegation”.

Expecting RT talking heads to be like - Even when it wasn't the biological labs we knew it was the biological labs.

Posted this on the Ukranian thread. Hope it's ok repeating the post here to provoke people's thoughts on how the west might go about achieving a change in the average Russian's mindset, particularly when one considers how entrenched a whole lot of Trumpists in a free press USA have become in batshit crazy conspiracies in recent years.

"One particularly and not especially encouraging take on the mindset of the average Russian in the replies to this video of captured Russian servicemen on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/t7cbkj/another_interview_with_captured_russians_if_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The basic premise of the insightful and lengthy commentary is that, although Putin is the head of the beast, he is surrounded by loyalists and a military/petrochemical industrial complex which have a lot to lose or gain in this conflict.

The entire mindset of the average Russian, whilst undoubtedly influenced and swayed by a totally one-sided propogandist and pro Putin media, is as equally if not moreso influenced or institutionalised by a fear of the West going right back through the cold war and (justifiedly even moreso) by the collective experience of the Great Patriotic war where the invasion from the West caused the deaths of 20 million Russians. Russia has not moved on from this mindset and it has served Putin well to perpetuate this "operation" as a continuation of this struggle against the threat from the West and all its evils (Whilst ironically at the same time embracing all the trappings of Capitalism).

Unfortunately, it would seem that merely overthrowing Putin or beheading the senior military command, who equally benefit from this mindset will still not be enough to convert the average Russian from this albeit outdated, but nonetheless historically justified, fear of the West."

Unless young Ivan intends having putin style security around him going forward he may find his career/ life might be kind of short.

And so it begins:

" More than 400 Ukrainians who protested against the occupation of Kherson by Russian forces have been detained by Russia’s national guard, Ukraine’s military high command said.

In a statement, the Ukrainian military high command said hundreds have been arrested for protesting in the now Russian-occupied Kherson.

Due to the furious resistance of the residents of Kherson, the occupiers are attempting to introduce an administrative-police regime."

Yes the US supplying these weapons will get civilians killed.

If you're about to get incinerated in an armoured oven you won't care too much about who you kill in order to preserve your own existence, this is a basic rule of war.

'They can easily see' ,rubbish, why do you think it's a grand da and granny, because the CIA told you to think that?

Around the village a few weeks ago, around the war zone now.

What makes you think they were elderly, the BBC tell you that lie?

There was a lad on Dunphys podcast saying that the only way Russia can hold Ukraine is by conducting mass genocide. I have no doubt that this is now the Russian plan. The only way this is avoided is by the removal of Putin by those in power around him. Maybe a sneaky grenade in that tea pot he likes ?

Some scholars argue Russia have tried that tack in Ukraine before.