Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

What kind of access is there to Ukrainian broadcasts online? I don't have a satellite system.

The above is the State broadcaster Ukrainian English Language Youtube channel - Its in English OR Dubbed - live broadcast at the moment

Youtube confirm that it is state funded by the Ukraine so -

In terms of satellite there is a lot more - iv been jumping between CNN, BBC, SKY, DE (germany), France 24, ALJ, various others - some of these do have Live Internet streams which are available to Ireland

"Putin wants Ukraine and its gas/oil/grain,"

Goshh - I always thought Ukraine is a poor country but it seems they have resources, army and development on the level of Spain or Greece if not higher. Putin attacked them as they were probably one step from EU membership (and possibly NATO). I was shocked recently reading about Romanian's (EU + NATO) MIG-21 crash - you cant find such relics in Ukrainian army...

Its the same pattern all over the thread.

Anyone who wonders what steps could have been taken to prevent war.

Putin bot.

Apologist.

Appeaser.

Whatabouterist.

I hope this is not true and that no women, children or men for that matter were hurt.

Until it is independently verified one must remember this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2001/oct/04/socialsciences.highereducation

Do please regale us with sources of your own, because facts posted by you so far:

List of verified facts by tooka:

(Nope, nothing there)

Feel free to bolster that list by throwing us the odd linkarooney, me old Skippy.

I am gonna respond to you in good faith. The story is verified. So far most of the most disgusting stories coming from this war, are INVARIABLY true, and usually verified within an hour or two by western sources. I wish, (WISH), they weren't true - but most sadly are verified

As i said over on the Russia Today thread -

Do western media sources make mistakes - YES

Do we hear about them? Yes

Where do we hear about them broadly speaking? From Western Media Sources (usually the one involved issues a retraction)

What does the above tell you RE the standards they strive to keep? That they AIM to provide VERIFIED news - they may not always succeed - but that is the goal. Citing example after example of Western Media failings proves nothing other than, you know about them. because they, themselves, tell you.

Do you believe Russian Media is doing the same??? I ask honestly btw

Look i have presented an argument in good faith - If you wanna reserve judgement on stories until BBC, RTE, CNN, SKY, AFP, Reuters, etc etc - confirm - that is your prerogative. The problem with this is that, as this continues (if Russia takes over more Ukrainian Territory) - sources will be stretched, and sometimes unverifiable. And nothing Russia is saying is true atm - this will only get worse, as their skewed narrative takes more shape.

But so far, the Ukrainian media has BROADLY SPEAKING reported the truth - (We could debate the Ghost of Kyiv - i consider that a morale booster for the inhabitants - and i salute it)

Good faith only - please

IMHO

Where is the contradiction? Russia is a far far bigger power than Ukraine. The point is they should have won by now with the resources on their side. If it takes till the 85th minute to score a goal playing 11 on 3 soccer then the 11 are obviously not that great and obviously struggled pretty badly.

Death tolls are going to be hard to figure out for a while and the Ukraine and Russia are obviously going to lie about it.

To anyone listening - This story is true - from the above

The Mariupol city council said the strike had caused "colossal damage", and published footage showing burned out buildings, destroyed cars and a huge crater outside the hospital. The BBC has verified the location of the videos.

"We don't understand how it's possible in modern life to bomb a children's hospital. People cannot believe that it's true," Mariupol Mayor Serhiy Orlov told the BBC.

In a tweet, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson said that "there are few things more depraved than targeting the vulnerable and defenseless".

Mariupol has been surrounded by Russian forces for several days, and repeated attempts at a ceasefire to allow civilians to leave have broken down.

Also - THIS IS A VERIFIED WAR CRIME

from the above - 2/b/i-iv

1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
2. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
4. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;