Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

You are absolutely right. Russia is the largest country in the world with a large military, a navy consisting of 4 fleets etc but an annual military budget not much bigger than that of the UK.

I was not the person who mentioned 3000 - if you actually read back over the thread, someone else kept stating it as though that was the original claim. It wasnt - said person was stating it, knowing that even if the report was real (which it was obviously) he could refer back to this as evidence of exaggeration. it was a blatant red herring @SafeSurfer - and i encourage you to realize that - have a look back over the thread. What ever about adhering to 'very laudable' standards, red herrings are ALWAYS bad faith. Here is another one FYI

Also - no offense intended. But i did NOT jump on the 3000 number - i began questioning it - repeatedly - and my questions were met with scorn from the poster propagating it - In all honesty, please do confirm this for yourself

I actually believe you are responding reasonably here, but you have your facts backward - look at what you just did? accused me of jumping on something without checking first. Demonstrably, i did not. But you did. This is what i mean by checking sources. You have the temerity to question a users ability to check facts, verify sources of global significance. You did not check the source of posts on this thread -

Please - I have included the FIRST MENTION of the figure 3000 in relation to the hospital being bombed - just an FYI, it took me 3-4 minutes to check

Evidence please. You are stating a fact

• Do you have evidence to substantiate it?
• I have seen Russian claims to this effect, which i do not accept. Russia is not relaying anything with honesty lately
• Either you are misinformed, or you are propagating nonsensical Russian Back propaganda

I am glad you are dismissing Russian propaganda. Now start questioning Ukrainian propaganda and you will be ever more cynical of the information and it’s motivations.

The maternity hospital propaganda is a rare Ukrainian PR own goal. Thank God no one was killed and no children were injured. Despite what Zelensky reported

“Mariupol. Direct strike of Russian troops at the maternity hospital. People, children are under the wreckage.”

He's done exactly the same on the "Russia" thread, and been kicked off for it.

They have sorted it out. You've been thread-banned already from the "Russia" thread.

Err... don't like repeating myself but you've been thread-banned from the "Russia" thread for exactly that reason, and in all probability you're heading the same way on this thread. Think about it...

If you truly are sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause, all I can say is you've a very, very, very strange way of showing it. The sympathy element is completely lacking in your posts, and you seem hell-bent on sucking people into your bizarre conversations - which are always looking to defend the Russian invasion... under the pretence of "looking at their reasons".

In a time of great crisis such as this where the population of a whole country is being systematically butchered, killed and displaced we don't want to know your interpretation of the reason "why". If you haven't the decency to at least show sympathy then keep off the thread, because all you are doing is winding up the people who post on this thread who do have a heart.

This thread is descending into pure vile. I wont be responding to anyone who cannot cite evidence. Im trying to be kind, but when people decide to 'post truth' a massacre which we

• Heard about and hoped wasnt true
• Verified
• Watched initial footage
• Watched people being carried away on stretchers, bloodied and beaten

'Post truthing' the above is disgusting and i wont bite anymore - Welcome conversation with the 'Good' faith actors on this thread - the rest, im done

I think you may be just a little bit economical with the facts there lad

The civil conflict in parts of South Eastern Ukraine has seen approx 12,00 dead from both the Ukrainian and Pro Russian sides and has included Ukrainian military, various militias and civilians.

The civil conflict there has certainly not been helped by Russian Military backing, resources and training. Its nearly seemz like it suits some to stir the pot tbh.

If Putin has been saying he wants all of the former Soviet states back under Russian occupation for 10 years show me one quote in which he says just that.

This is a quote from Putin

”Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”

So your considered analysis is that the Russian invasion of Ukraine can be explained as being motivated out of pure evil. That was the reason Putin invaded Ukraine?

We could see Ukraine become a European meat grinder. With money, men and material from both east and west being fed in and swallowed up for years to come. It could be years before Ukraine is in a position to export food again.

We could see attacks within Russia by Ukrainian freedom fighters.

This conflict will certainly preoccupy the west with Europe just as China is becoming more nationalistic and confident.

if the political will and assistance was really behind this I’m sure most farmers in the country could do a small amount of tillage farming if push came to shove. In the glas wild bird cover scheme farmers are growing grain who were never tillage farmers and leaving the crop un harvested. A scheme similar to or based on that is not beyond the scope of most farmers. Anyway this whole emergency tillage idea just seems to be a case of thinking out loud than a concrete proposal.

Nothing against farms. We own a farm