Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Russia - threadbanned users in OP

Options
17877887907927933691

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Lavrov is giving a press conference at the moment and has been asked about the attack on the hospital yesterday.


    Lavrov exposed a fake Western media report on the situation with the maternity hospital in Mariupol:

    "This is not the first time we have seen pathetic cries about the "atrocities" inflicted by the Russian Armed Forces. On March 7, three days ago, at a UN Security Council meeting, our delegation presented the facts that this maternity hospital had long been occupied by the "Azov" battalion* and that all the women in labor had been kicked out. This was the base of the Azov battalion*, these facts were presented three days ago.

    *Azov battalion is a terrorist organization banned on the territory of the Russian Federation



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,882 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes Danzy, we all know by now you dislike ze Germans. You said they would do absolutely nothing and carry on business as usual during a Ukraine invasion/annexation by Russia. That has been proven to be incorrect but there's never admission of that, nope. Just some more bile + calling action they take now "pretending".

    Germany may have a lot of companies who make guns and weapons, but I don't think it itself has loads of such weapons on hand, given it has been running down its own military since end of Cold war (you were attacking them over that too afair). Think I recall reading (for example) that in terms of numbers of tanks Poland is now better "armed" than Germany.

    It's not "a bit late". They made a mistake about Russia, basically similar to one UK made as it has its own problems with connections to Russia to sort out. (edit Next) best time to change tack is today if you are are brave enough and flexible of mind enough to own up to your mistakes.

    Also how have Poland been "getting it in the neck" from "many" in the EU over this? Have seen nothing but support for what they are doing, which is separate from the many other issues the EU has with their govt.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Nordstream 2 could have been cancelled in 2014 after Crimea.


    Germany reversed a 50 year policy of not paying for it's defense or security. If it was doing it for historical reasons it wouldn't be the military hardware behemoth it is. No bs about "our shameful war filled past" when it comes to cashing cheques from it.


    It finally has dropped the act and show, thankfully.


    They could have been flying in their best hardware prior to the invasion for starters. They could have been and still could be clear on Russian gas. Etc etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Russian column entering the East of Kyiv got hit hard


    Apparently this is the translation of the Russian comms:

    - Hello, "Nitro", it's "Udar", listening to you

    - Udar, it's Nitro. Almost lost the 6-th regiment

    - What??

    - 6-th regiment. Can't report right now. Still gathering info. A lot of losses. They waited for us. Ambushed. Commander of the regiment is killed. Checking about the other.

    - As soon as you get the information, gather everything, report to me. Understood?

    - They strike with artillery, tanks, UAV... As to my understanding, "Bayraktars". Checking on the other losses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Lavrov we didn't attack ukraine 🤣🤣🤣🤣




  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭omega man


    It’s very difficult to resist the urge to smash my tv listening to Lavrov's propaganda on this “press conference”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Abramavich and Chelsea+ those " supporters " chanting his name last weekend are after getting some kick in the hole.

    No merchandise can be sold, no supporters at games except season ticket holders, no player transfers, and probably sponsors looking at a way to ditch the club.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's Chemical Ali all over again



  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Snails pace


    You think the Russian could of told them that and saved them the trip. This is going to get very messy for no reason.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Was just watching Lavrov (Russia's FM) speaking, he said Russia didn't attack Ukraine. They live in an alternative dimension. The only way to get anywhere near the truth is to apply the opposite to everything that's said.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    Zeus stabs the sky with thunderbolts... Glorious!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    Curious to see what his reasoning is for why they are in the rest of the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 905 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    To paraphrase Brian Clough when he was at Leeds briefly:

    "Well, I might as well tell you now. You lot may all be internationals and have won all the domestic and European honours there are to win under Roman Abramovich. But as far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is to chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest f***ing dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating."

    Post edited by Mike Murdock on


  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Agree with most of that. What I don't get is that the Chinese have completely infiltrated the West (including the USA) and at the highest levels of politics and business and there's barely a squeak about it.

    Conversely, we now know that China and the US can work together.. in practical terms they already do and have been doing so for decades. Long term, this can only be good for the world. Something doesn't compute about the apparent emnity between the two superpowers.

    Worst case scenario is this conflict growing and turning into (if it isn't already) a proxy war between China and the US, one which could potentially impoverish and ruin Europe and enrich the two real giants in the room who will feed both parties until they destroy each other and then pick over the carcass of continental Europe and Russia when it's all over.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Another personal overview of the situation from a retired general




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,819 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Specialization was purely about survival. Subsides were purely about compensation for a cheap food policy, Agriculture has been put on a wind down in Europe for 20 years now.


    Your approach, through a disconnect from farming, Now the norm, especially in politics, is why farmers across Europe are ahi77ing themselves about food security and supply.


    Instead of increasing to meet the massive shortfall, production across all sectors will significantly drop this year.


    The meeting at cabinet level for increasing tillage and forage is at the end of March.


    That says how serious they are. If they were serious, ground would already be broken and it would be a race against time even then.


    People might not understand, people might not care about it but they must eat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    China's about to get a brand new vassal state.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jesus, it is nothing of the sort. it is realpolitik, naked power, might is right, whatever you want to call it.. but it is not an apologia for Putin.

    Fooking hell, some of the thought police on here would be better suited to authoritarian Russian culture. It's ridiculous.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There was a river in America that once went dry, so of course water is not wet anymore at it is the wests fault. All russia is trying to do is protect the remianing dry water..duh



  • Registered Users Posts: 19 JJandthebear


    The Tories will tell anyone who listens how they are leading the way here, but you would have to be very naive or very gullible to believe them.

    Have you seen the details of the Economic Crime Bill they have dished up?..more (Loop)holes than a block of Swiss cheese. In general they've been very slow/shite with sanctions, I wonder why?

    Have you seen the knots they have tied themselves in trying to avoid taking in refugees?...a Calais visa centre, that's actually in Lille and isn't actually open yet;a Home Office clearly aiming to obfuscate and frustrate refugees from their borders.

    As Wibbs put it earlier, the weapons are a "political sop" to deter folk from looking too closely at misdeeds elsewhere.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    China is absorbing Russia as we speak.. gobbling it up. And the world is splitting into two again. <----- an observation not a value judgement.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What word do you prefer, Mollification? Point still stands.

    Appeasement by any other name would signal as defeatist (apologies to the bard).



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,007 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    You never answered my question.

    But anyway.

    Concerted acts of solidarity or even solo acts have been instrumental in not just military efforts but the economic ones.

    Germany going from sending a few helmets to 1000s of missiles was brought about by the German people collectively shaming the German parliament with mass demonstrations being just one example.

    Just over 2 weeks ago a back bench MP speaking to an empty house of commons used her privilege to name 35 Russian oligarchs, she was ignored, the video went viral and now today some of those oligarchs have had their assets frozen.

    It's these collective acts of solidarity that may look "childish" to you or whoever, are exactly the sort of thing that has shamed governments and corporations to act against Russia and that helps Ukraine.

    That's an absolute undeniable fact of the past fortnight.



  • Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    "If we don't engage with Russia's legitimate concerns and enter into good faith dialogue with them, we will be the real bigots", or something like that.

    Lavrov should be arrested in Turkey and extradited to The Hague.



  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    Looks like the stall is set for the continuation of war. Russia need a victory and so far Ukraine are unwilling to accept the demands (understandably so). The cities will be flattened.



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What about anyone who thinks that Russia can be negotiated with in good faith?

    I really still think that the Ukrainian will to fight is being undersold and it's because we don't have it baked into us like they do. They do not want to live under the Russian yoke. They know that the Russians will wreck their country forever if they're allowed to.

    Negotiating and diplomacy... Russia invaded while denying at the security council it was going to happen. They bombed the paths for civilians while talks were happening. They wasted a day of talks by offering corridors into Russia and Belarus.

    What's the best the Ukrainians can get by surrendering? Their country is already blown to bits. They'll lose the eastern provinces and end up with an even more miltarised border with the country who has just invaded them. So they'll surrender and be in a much worse position than before the Russians launched their unprovoked attack.

    Diplomacy requires at least some good faith from everyone. If that's not there then it's just a waste of time.



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If we are not careful, Europe will be the site of a proxy war between the two super powers. And yes I subscribe to the opportunism before conspiracy interpretation too. We (Europe) need to be cognizant of this possibility however, whether it is a conspiracy theory or opportunism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,398 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Also, what Russia 'negotiates' could well be just a truce until Round 3. Especially if it cripples Ukraine's ability to rebuild and defend itself.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Lying Lavrov

    Or, perhaps, closer to Comical Ali - Sitcom Sergey



This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement