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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭circadian


    In February as per Russian propaganda or on 1st March as per journalist report/possible Russian propaganda?

    Worth reading the thread he put up, he doesn't confirm Ukrainians did anything.

    https://twitter.com/JulianRoepcke/status/1498634367110950912?t=WRgjMOgSSxGED5cp2uq07Q&s=19



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,907 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Let's concentrate on your analogy. It was wrong.


    The Russians have volume not equipment. The end. There's no need to add multiple of paragraphs to demonstrate your analogy was poor.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Very interesting article from the BBC from the frontline in Kharkiv

    "The position was attacked on Monday (or was it the day before, he wonders), two Russian tanks and an armoured vehicle. "Don't worry, we are well defended," he says as he gestures to a pile of American-made Javelin guided anti-tank missiles. "Lockheed Martin, Texas," is written on their casing. Nearby, is a pile of British next-generation light anti-tank weapon (NLAW) missiles. "Eliminates even the most advanced tanks," its manufacturer Saab promises on its website.

    It is bitterly cold and two puppies are playing around Lt Gromadsky's feet. His shoes are a pair of white Puma trainers - "You need to be fast out here," he says.

    The Ukrainians are improvising in this war. Their government has been criticised for being ill-prepared, and now there is a rush to bring men forward to the front. The regular army is being merged with civilian defence forces. At a marshalling point on the city's eastern edge, I watch as buses arrive with hundreds of freshly equipped soldiers. "Where's my body armour?" asks one. "You'll get it at the front," yells an officer, and moments later they are gone."



    "Before curfew I make my way to the city's Hospital Number 4 to meet Dr Alexander Dukhovskyi, head of paediatrics. Underneath his hospital whites, he's wearing a Miami Beach 2015 T-shirt, with the American flag. He hasn't gone home in weeks."

    "He laughs when I say that Russia says it isn't targeting civilians. Then, silently, he takes me down corridor after corridor of victims of Russian attacks. They are in the hallways because Russian shells have landed nearby, so the patients aren't safe in the wards with large windows. Most here were injured while at home."



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    "However, on the official page in Facebook, the command of the Air Force of Ukraine published a post with a Millerovo aire base in fire with a comment: "Oops, who did it?

    Multiple people were reported to be wounded,[10] and at least one Sukhoi Su-30SM was destroyed on the ground per tweeted images.[11] However, Ukrainian officials and military experts have claimed that at least two Russian Su-30SM fighters were destroyed on the ground.[12]"

    seems the ukranians were involved

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Footage of Ukrainian infantry engaged in fighting and skirmishes




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Talisman


    The attack on the hospital yesterday must have blindsided the Russian Defense Ministry. My reason for thinking this is that the official statement regarding the attack was only released this evening (around 19:15 local time). We'll all be relieved to know that it was faked and we are simply too naive to think otherwise.

    The Russian Defense Ministry commented on fakes in the Western media about the alleged "strike" on Mariupol hospital No. 3 by Russian aircraft yesterday:

    The Russian Ministry of Defense yesterday declared a "silence regime" for the safe evacuation of civilians in the city. Absolutely no ground targets were hit by Russian aviation near Mariupol.

    The analysis of the statements made by representatives of the Kiev nationalist regime and the photographs from the hospital leaves no room for doubt. The alleged "airstrike" is a fully orchestrated provocation to maintain anti-Russian agitation among Western audiences.

    We have repeatedly stated earlier that medical facilities in Mariupol, including Hospital No. 3, ceased their full-time operation at the end of February. All staff and patients were dispersed by nationalists.

    The hospital building, due to its advantageous tactical location close to the center of the city, was converted into a stronghold of the Azov National Battalion*. This was reported en masse by city residents who moved to both Kyiv-controlled and Donetsk People's Republic-controlled areas.

    Photographs of the hospital area contain evidence of two separate staged explosions near the hospital. A buried underground explosion and another one of low power, aimed at the hospital building.

    The nature of the external and internal damage to the building may be misleading to a mass non-professional audience in Europe and the United States. For whom this production was made. But not the experts. A high-explosive aircraft munition, even of lower power, would simply have left nothing of the building's exterior walls.

    All of these and other war crimes in Mariupol are committed by the punishers locked in the city. We have repeatedly warned that as the ring tightens, the number of Nazi provocations will increase. There is nowhere for them to flee from there.

    It was these Nazis of the "Azov" battalion* who deliberately and with particular cruelty destroyed the civilian population in the Donetsk and Luhansk republics for eight years.

    *The "Azov" battalion is a terrorist organization banned on the territory of the Russian Federation.




  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes once you start lying need to stick to the same lie. The Russians are telling so many they are tripping up over themselves. Must be awfully confusing for the putinbots... like a dog chasing their own tail.

    They staged an explosion... but wait I thought they turned it into a bastion due to its advantageous tactical location.

    From the BBC:

    Speaking on Rossiya 24 news channel, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said "absolutely no missions to hit targets on the ground by Russian aviation in the Mariupol area were carried out".

    He then claimed: "The alleged airstrike that took place is a completely orchestrated provocation to maintain anti-Russian excitement among the Western audience."

    But earlier today (see our post just before 11:00GMT) Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the hospital was a legitimate military target because it had been "taken over" by Ukrainian radicals and "all the mothers and nurses were chased out of there".

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    When the war ends and Ukraine surrender, will the sanctions still be in place against Russia?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    After WW1 the Allies demanded Germany disband its airforce, it was because they were too bloody good.

    Smacks of the Russian demand for Ukraine to disband their military. The absolute gall of them, asking that after invading. It should be one of Ukraines demands of Russia - would make justification at least.

    Those saying Ukraine should capitulate to such demands are clueless, Russia will turn Ukraine into a puppet state and extract revenge. The current Russian leadership have been made to look like fools - does anyone think they are the types to forgive and forget?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭combat14


    the war in northern ireland went on for 30 odd years ... when do you predict the ukraine war will end with the west pouring money and weapons into ukraine ...... ??? and more importantly will the russian people cave with economic sanctions before that happens....


    maybe even Putin will die of old age before that occurs.....



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭technocrat




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Nope you didn't. Hence my question. Dont want to bother explaining? Fine.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think the UN is the culprit there. Do you think an Irish battalion would have done any different?



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,397 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Something to bear in mind to those suggesting UN peacekeepers could protect a neutralised Ukraine from Russia

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,647 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Its been taken off air across the EU because they didnt want useful idiots and critical thinkers falling hook, line and sinker for Russian propaganda 👍️



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    No, I wish you were right, but I'm afraid you're wrong and demonstrably so. If you can't see the obvious disparity in both numbers and types and scales of equipment I don't know what to say to you. Maybe a simple graphic will help:

    Even if we halved the numbers and quality of weaponry involved on the Russian side, Ukraine is still massively on the back foot by nearly every metric. And that list doesn't include artillery, or missiles or bombs. And if the Russians have 'ancient' equipment, much of the Ukrainians equipment is older again Russian gear. Yes we see the Russian airforce is thin on the ground(so to speak), but can you point to a video of a Ukrainian jet flying since this invasion started, or a Ukrainian helicopter? we've seen plenty of vids of Russian tanks and the like, how many Ukrainian ones? Their maritime stuff is off the table and their flagship was scuttled by her captain to keep it from Russian hands.

    Recently imported anti tank and aircraft systems and the likely support of Western intel and a determined unbeliveably brave defence by the Ukrainain people certainly further narrow the gap, but not nearly to the degree you seem to believe or one sided(and understandably impressive) reports from the ground show. I wish they weren't but these are unfortunately facts not hopes and those facts are sadly encircling and blasting the hell out of Kyiv as we speak.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What exactly is your problem? If a poster says 'leave me alone' why is it hard for you to do it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    UN are one useless organisation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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    I see what you did there. LOL. Brush up on your Ukrainian.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    *The "Azov" battalion is a terrorist organization banned on the territory of the Russian Federation.

    And yet the Wagner terrorist organisation are fully supported by the Kremlin and now we have examples of Hitler, sorry putin Youth punching the air wearing Zeds on their clothes. You want to get rid of 'nazis' Czar Vlad? Physician, heal thyself. You gnomish twat.


    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway




  • Registered Users Posts: 33,907 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Once again. These graphs are pulled out people's arse.

    Russia doesn't have one million troops. If they did putin would have put 250k or 300k on the border. They don't have 5000 operational jets if they did they'd have used 1000 of them. And so on and so on.

    They are a force that has been ripped and robbed blind for decades by various levels within the military and outside of it. Their equipment was sold or stolen. Their maintenance was made up by paid for. Their fuel was sold off. Weapons etc etc everything for sale.


    Theres a simple reason there's 1970 tanks being rolled forward and civilian busses and trucks being brought out. And Putin losing his absolute **** about 8 precision rockets being fired at a western Ukraine Airport that wasnt a priority.


    Their figures and your fancy graph is unadulterated waffle.


    What they do have plenty of is conscripts that they will grab off the streets and aks and bullets. You can blame all of it on poor pay and a cross Russia attitude of stealing to make ends meet because that's what the people at the top are doing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ukrainian jets have shot down Russian jets and helicopters ,they have Also bombed convoys ,

    Russia unless they commit their whole military then they aren't going to take Ukraine , history is full of stories of the unbeatable and unstoppable armies getting beaten by a smaller ,less equipped army



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,150 ✭✭✭Talisman


    This is a trolling at its finest - The Head of the National Agency on Corruption Prevention of Ukraine has written a letter to Russia’s Defense Minister, Sergei Shoigu, thanking him for the state of corruption in the Russian army. 🤣

    Here's the English language translation of the letter:

    Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation

    Sergei SHOIGU

    THANK YOU LETTER

    The National Agency on Corruption Prevention (hereinafter referred to as the Agency) supports all representatives of foreign states who contribute to the development of Ukrainian anti-corruption bodies, as well as help in strengthening democratic institutions in Ukraine.

    In this regard, the Agency expresses its sincere gratitude to the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, Sergei Shoigu, for his invaluable contribution to the fact that Russian means and support resources for the attack on Ukraine were stolen even before they were accumulated on the border of the two states.

    Participating in the methodical, systematic, and long-term work on the theft of the budgetary funds of the Russian Federation, which were allocated for the development of military potential, Sergei Shoigu, together with other officials of the defense sector, contributed to the acceleration of the liquidation of the occupiers on the lands of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

    The persistence of officials from the Ministry of Defense and the armed forces of the Russian Federation to embezzle funds from Russian taxpayers that should have gone to the needs of the army makes it much easier to defend democratic Ukraine.

    Thanks to this, Ukrainian anti-corruption institutions, which work to ensure transparency in the use of public funds, counteract corruption, fraud, and economic crime, will be able to resume their activities as soon as possible instead of wasting time on destroying the occupiers on their land, as well as scrap metal brought to the territory of our state.

    The military and Ukrainian intelligence team document numerous examples of this undoubtedly important activity.

    In particular, the protection of Russian tanks T-72 and T-80 made from cardboard egg trays. Without a doubt, these means of protecting military equipment deserve to become a separate assessment factor in the PowerIndex when forming the Global Firepower rating of the strongest armies in the world.

    The Agency also expresses its deep gratitude to Mr. Shoigu for the use of ZIL-130 cars to transport personnel, which has no analogs in the world. While such cars are obviously comfortable to the Russian soldiers as they feel light dizziness during the Ukrainian March frosts, the speed of movement of this vehicle, as well as its bright aquamarine color, allow the local territorial defense forces to effectively undergo training in the operation of modern weapons against light targets.

    Special thanks also go to those that provide the Russian army with military food packages, the expiration date of which is due to 2015. Due to the lack of food, the Russian occupation troops abandon military equipment and surrender to the local residents of Ukrainian villages in order to eat.

    We also admired your bulletproof vests made of cardboard instead of the armored plates that were worn by the crew members of the captured Russian Barnaul-T armored car.

    Bulletproof vests were so strong that they were damaged by conventional small arms. In this regard, we express special gratitude, because now the armored car serves in the ranks of the Ukrainian defense forces and helps to resist the aggressor.

    We also want to draw your attention to the fact that our army found a bulletin named “On the procedure for detecting corruption and other violations when identifying a conflict of interest in military units” in place of the armored plates.

    Impressed by such a thorough and detailed methodological support for the military personnel of the occupying forces, the Agency’s experts prepared a number of recommendations for further inclusion in the relevant bulletins.

    Thus, according to the generally accepted definition, a conflict of interest is the presence of private interest in the area in which a person performs his/her official or representative powers, which may affect the objectivity or impartiality of his/her decision-making.

    We see the risk that, despite the presence of mobile crematoria brought to the territory of Ukraine by the command of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the private interest of a Russian soldier to save his life instead of following the orders of his commander is still extremely high. In this regard, we propose to reduce the likelihood of a conflict of interest by supplementing the bulletins with the following step-by-step instructions:

    “In case of crossing the border with Ukraine, a Russian serviceman is obliged to:

    – get to the nearest settlement;

    – move away from the equipment at a safe distance and drop the weapon;

    – ask for forgiveness for crossing the border without passport control;

    – wait for the Ukrainian military, who will allow him to call his mother;

    – wait for his return home”.

    We look forward to fruitful cooperation in taking into account our recommendations.

    Attached to the letter of thanks, we send photos illustrating the above achievements. We are sending the letter now, while there is still foreign computer equipment in Russia that allows you to view the relevant photographs.

    Head of the Agency

    Oleksandr NOVIKOV




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    They levelled Grozny too, but it has been rebuilt and all paid for by Russia. ......



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    They say that normally about 50% of equipment is in a battle ready state at any time and this is with western militaries. We don't know what the situation would be in russia. The ukrainians won't be meeting russians in open tank battles, they would be mad to. They can just hide in a forest and wait for a convoy to go by. They have the support of the local people and knowledge of the terrain. If they are willing to keep up the fight, I really can't see how the russians can win. They gambled everything on a quick collapse and lost it. The longer it goes on the better it is for the ukrainians.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well to be fair I asked one simple question. Bizarrely the poster then had a tantrum. As I said that fine if they won't answer. Btw I could also ask whats your problem but I'm not going to bother because it's a discussion.



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