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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Russia are playing a game of chess and I think they are holding back army and weapons for NATO. They want more than just Ukrainian



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    Wibbs, your graphic is missing some key points.

    1. Home advantage. The guy fighting to stop his wife and family being raped will fight 10 times harder than a conscript.

    2. With Russia's vast army, why are they relying on conscripts?

    3. Ukraine IS getting massive help from the West.

    4. Russia is imploding. Time is not on their side.

    5. Evidence (ref Kyiv convoy) that the Russians haven't a fûcking clue how to fight this war.

    You've mentioned other issues, quality of equipment etc.

    I wouldn't write off Ukraine. I'd back them in fact. If anything it's Russia Vs the world even if its largely by proxy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,657 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    "Russians protest against sanctions 🙂"

    Lots of these videos of Russians smashing up their western goods in PROTEST. We'll see how they feel after a few weeks of post western, top of the line, modern soviet state merchandise that will be available...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭omega man


    Doubt it. They’ve already committed around 50% of their total active ground forces in Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,135 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The footage we've seen of Russian jets and helicopters shot down have been from ground fire. The convoy hits were drones. All good, but again what we're seeing is almost entirely one sided*. And I agree smaller armies have fúcked up much larger armies more than once and I really hope this is the case with the Ukrainian defence. The cities are their biggest hope, because if they can hunker down from airstrikes it takes most, if not all of the invader's advantages away. They could inflict massive Russian casualties there. And it may be ghoulish of me to say and wish for speaking in comfort and safety at a distance, but I hope they bloody well do. To the point where the Russian autocrats can't spin their way out of this to the Russian people. Though sadly IMHO many of the Russian people at home are currrently a lost cause and those that aren't are living in fear in one of the few actual facist states in the world.






    *which raises questions too of course. Why aren't we seeing Russian successes? Surely they'd want that for the spin for their own side at home? No doubt they'd 'explain' that away as "well it's not really a war y'know Komrade", but it could also be because in close in fighting they have few enough examples of success and most of their successes have been from stand off distance weapons like artillery, bombs and rockets that aren't easy to film as propaganda and would open them up to even more calls of atrocities.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At this rate, Mad Vlad is doing a bang up job of bringing back the days of the Soviet Union, with impending shortages of essential goods and a black market for Levi Jeans.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Now that's some high level 24 carat trolling right there. 🤣🤣🤣

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,907 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Theres no chess games going on here. What your seeing is a military that operated under vast embezzlement of its finances and a leadership both internal and external taking a cut of it and telling dear leader multitudes of lies to cover the gaps that are missing.

    Putin is so far removed and surrounded by people afraid of him that tactically they are up their own arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,353 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Their figures and your fancy graph is unadulterated waffle.

    Ironically isn't the whole Intel on the Ukrainian defense progress based on Twitter accounts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,657 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    A must have for any model collection...




  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet


    They'll be back to a 10 year waiting list for a Trebant, as was the case in the glorious USSR.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Northernlily


    She'll be regretting that. Just doing it for the social media likes as she doesn't think the sanctions will last.....

    Well......



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, and in exchange they got a vassal state run by a lackey (Kadyrov)

    As we've seen in Syria, the Russian doctrine is to surround a city and bombard it. Their military is also heavily artillery based. This is precisely what's happening in Ukraine now, they have difficulty taking cities, so instead they park outside, encircle as much as they can and just start to bombard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,907 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    We are seeing them. Look up RT accounts and other blatant Russian profiles they are posting tiny amounts of Ukrainian equipment captured and in many cases the same pictures of the same equipment every few days.


    Is it a wonder civilian casualties are far higher than Ukrainian military. Because the Russians are murdering people in the towns between cities because they are getting absolutely hammered when they approach anything remotely built up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I don't know why Boris Johnson is suggesting today that Russia may use chemical weapons. Surely he can see that making this statement has echos of Tony Blair's "15 minutes to hit the UK, Weapons of Mass Destruction" stuff. It's not like it did Blair any good, and it's not like Johnson needs to convince anyone of the barbarous intentions of the Russian state.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    They couldn't get shag all in a conventional battle with NATO forces, and in rolling out the nukes, there is no victory, for the land they would inherit would be radioactive and unsuitable for much of anything.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I can see shoigu getting the bullet also shortly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,907 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Ironically no, it's based on various US and EU intelligence sources. Oh and the open comms the Russians have on their unencrypted conversations because they don't have military comms for all of their units.


    Gas...



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,440 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes thats what happened. But now its payback time, and quite a lot of the Kadyrofski have been "eliminated", not too much on view now of the big assembly getting ready to "Sort out the little Ukrainian problem". Plus Kadyrov is now under attack himself, and from isis no less, but also from other Muslims, especially ones from Syria who have suffered under the Russians in Syria. His Islamic credential's are being called into question. Now aside from the large Nr of Martyrs,( whats left of them) coming home, that could mean big trouble for him in not alone Chechnya but in the wider Islamic world too.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    1. Home advantage. The guy fighting to stop his wife and family being raped will fight 10 times harder than a conscript.

    100% agreed.

    2. With Russia's vast army, why are they relying on conscripts?

    Vast armies tend to. To make up the numbers around their professional soldiers.

    3. Ukraine IS getting massive help from the West.

    Agreed.

    4. Russia is imploding. Time is not on their side.

    I agree, but how much time is the problem CW. Unless there's an internal coup... and even then I would be willing to bet that wouldn't be so popular among a large enough percentage of the population who really do see putin as a good leader for Mother Russia. Initally anyway. And a nuclear capable nation imploding is hard to predict and a bit worrying too.

    5. Evidence (ref Kyiv convoy) that the Russians haven't a fûcking clue how to fight this war.

    I agree in one way. Yes they ran out of logistics when they ran out of trains to move men and material. Major screwup. On the other hand the fact the same crazy long convoy remained in place for day after day pretty unmolested is a worry as far as the Ukrainian's ability to blow it to bits. Considering it was a massive and strategically very important target, with TARGET in big red letters written miles long.

    I wouldn't write off Ukraine. I'd back them in fact.

    I wouldn't and haven't and do back them 100%.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 757 ✭✭✭generic_throwaway


    The Russians are playing tiddlywinks and just learned that Ukraine wants to play rugby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,922 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Reading a few different reports of the situation today and yesterday. Looks like Russia is making gradual progress toward Kyiv, maybe 5km closer today, the English and American intelligence seems to be expecting a significant attack on Kyiv by Sunday. Everywhere else there are incremental gains by Russian forces, seems to be they want to encircle key cities to siege them, whilst also bypassing to focus on taking smaller towns/villages. Ukrainian forces are knocking out armor, but don't seem to be conducting any strong largescale counter-attacks (so far)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wandererz




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    You also have to remember Ukraine mobilised when the war started - they will be forming new units from the reserves all the time. Russia hasn't mobilised, and their whole army isn't in Ukraine. Russia can bring in more troops, but that's difficult to justify when it's just a special peacekeeping operation in the Donbass. And their supply lines are long, everything takes time. The war can end quickly if Russia takes Mariupol (likely) and Kyiv (less likely), but if that doesn't happen, then it becomes less likely Russia can "win".



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    what are the chances the Russia Invasion tips the west/world into a recession in 2022? On a seperate note all these companies pulling out of Russia and no longer operating in Ukraine is sure to put a dent in many share values, prolonged bear market anyone?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Russia have been planning this for the past 7/8 years…. Just look at how they moved their reserves out of dollars and tried to implement its own payment systems. It’s not like they forget to check their equipment before going to war. It’s a game of chess with the next 50 moves already thought out…. The 2 curve balls were Ukrainian resistance and Germany’s response



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