Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

15000 people have been killed in the Donbas regions. A conflict started by Russia and their little green men. So you are actually including in that death toll civilians who were killed by Russian backed forces and deliberately misrepresenting them as being caused 'by Kiev' . You have posted these lies elsewhere on boards, being called out on it and now you repeat them here.

If you want to get a clearer picture of what's going on, it won't be from your posts, which is just a regurgitation of Russian propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#War_in_Donbas

This was a surprisingly good and informative thread. Sadly seems to be getting dragged into CA/IMHO territory.

Apologies , poxy board's

It isn’t whataboutery to contrast the Irish peoples and governments response to the deliberate American bombing of a hospital in Afghanistan and the deliberate Russian bombing of a hospital in Ukraine.

Both appalling acts in which children were killed. In one, the government was rightly condemned and the president accused of war crimes. In the other the Irish government continued to facilitate the military transport of that country’s men and material and far from labelling the president a war criminal, presented him with a bowl of shamrock a few months later.

That’s no what about. That’s hypocrisy.

What was peoples response at the time being it was a number of years ago 8+ but yet here you are on a soapbox trying to dilute the attack by russia for a American did this and America did that.

Really odd position I believed most people condemned the attack but at the time there was a firefight taking place in an around the Afghan hospital .

It's not like a state randomly decided to bomb a maternity hospital like Russia did the over 100th hospital they have bombed in the last few years .

But because Nato didn't do it ,we get Radio silence,or keyboards stop working

I think this was posted on this thread already but everyone wondering about whats happening in Ukraine needs to watch this, the 2014 annexation of Crimea was all about cutting off Ukraine's access to its newly found oil and gas reserves to keep it poor and vulnerable so they would be mad to let Russia keep it as part of a peace deal and NATO/EU wouldn't want it either!

Very bad news - could be a whole new front depending on where they enter from

HOWEVER -we have no idea of the disposition of the Belorussian Forces. or their effectiveness.

Russia has thus far been inept - their 'little puppet' may not be any better - or could be far worse - it could jeopardize Lukashenko's regime

Also - this is desperation. the Great Motherland (with its massive army) need the assistance of 'little minsk' -

One was a terrible mistake, the other is a pattern of deliberate and systemic targeting.

You know that already though

The Albanian speech at the UNSC - absolutely fantastic

• Called out the history of Russian use of bio-weapons
• Warned that the entire thing could be used as a smokescreen to justify to use bio and chemical weapons themselves
• reaffirmed their support for Kiev
• highlighted the dishonesty on display by Russia
• re-affirmed the nonsensical statements on 'Donbas genocide' and Kiev developing WMD's

Really hammered it all in

I've been reading up on the 'Donbass genocide', so often quoted by Putin and Putin admirers everywhere and it is indeed nonsense and fabrication. It's true that a significant number of civilian casualties happened in the very early days of conflict in the region, but the numbers dropped rapidly after this and the vast majority of deaths in the years since have been between combatants. The idea of Putin invading the region two weeks ago to "protect Donbass civilians" and to "stop genocide by the Ukrainians" is an absolute falsehood.

The Belorussian army could turn out to be more of a hindrance than a help.

If the Ukrainians start to beat them back the Russians will just be wasting resources bailing them out.

Its yet another reason why Russia cannot be taken seriously - This donbass claim is straight out of Hitlers playbook - He did the same with regards to the 'polish corridor' 1938/39

• Created a narrative of 'Evil Polish' attacking Ethnic Germans
• showed propaganda footage and interviews
• Staged evacuations
• bloviated that something ought be done

Putin has done all 4, and he DID IN FACT ARM the separatist's and extremists in the region - he started this in 2014 - all facts. irrefutable