Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

October 2015 is 6.5 yrs old. No where near 8.

No it doesn't make a difference but weakens your argument when silly mistakes are made.

A singular incident versus years of deliberate targeting. Jog on

I think we can infer that he is surrounded by cowardly yes men.

• He wanted to believe various fictions (Russia mighty, west cowardly, ukraine weak, over by sunday)
• no one had the courage to tell him it was folly

His position now

• Russian armed forces humiliated -
• economically toxic
• Currency destroyed
• Credibility worth less then the ruble
• Long term EU to find new energy sources
• EU unity
• NATO unity with possible membership from Finland/Sweden

Its the equivalent of a top half premier league team, some how ending up in League one - in the space of two weeks. It should be impossible.

And that is all it has been - two weeks. SO now to save credibility he is thinking of leveling Kiev with either strategic bombing, artillery, or chemical weapons. seemingly

American bombing of civilian facilities isn’t a one off.

It can be very difficult for us in Ireland to view the Americans in a bad light. To believe they could be a bad actor. Almost from birth we are fed on a diet of pro American soft power and it is very effective. We like them. We believe them. We give them the benefit of the doubt. Hell, I like Americans. I find them friendly, generous, a lot like us. Ireland has huge cultural bonds with America. We benefit greatly from our relationship with America with foreign direct investment, jobs etc. However we should not lose sight of the fact that the US state can also act abominably.

I was replying to a different poster but thanks for the back seat moding.

This is made up bull. Irish people in general have largely opposed a lot of US wars. From marches against Iraq war to increased drone strikes from Obama to hiding drone strikes under Trump. Hits on civilian targets get widely reported here when found out.

What is also present is a sense of scale. Certainly the war in Iraq was wrong but there is a big reason that the Iraq forces didn't fight as hard as their Ukraine counterparts. This is down to the regime in Iraq vs the government in the Ukraine and how loved they are by their people.

It’s not a load of crap. I said US bombing of civilian facilities is NOT a one off.

The US have targeted civilian facilities from Iraq to Serbia to Afghanistan and beyond.

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/07/a-short-history-of-u-s-bombing-of-civilian-facilities/

I was comparing the reaction to the deliberate US bombing of a hospital with the deliberate Russian bombing of a hospital.

One president, a Nobel peace prize winner, the other a war criminal.

You said the request for the air strike came at the behest of Afghan forces.

This is NOT TRUE.

 “U.S. and NATO Commander John F. Campbell later confirmed that a U.S. AC-130 gunship made the attack on the hospital and that it was a US decision, contrary to earlier reports that the strike had been requested by local Afghan forces under Talibanfire.”

You say the US investigated without questioning the impartiality of their own investigation. Of course they can investigate themselves, they are trustworthy, they are the good guys. Aren’t they?

Would you accept a Russian investigation into a Russian bombing? Please answer honestly.

Remind me who is the only foreign power allowed to move troops through Ireland, even during their multi wars? Almost 3 million US troops have passed through ireland under many different governments, representing all but a handful of political parties.

US wars are simply not a big issue in Ireland. Obama, who was president when the US targeted that hospital was treated like a celebrity when he came to Ireland.

According to our government 30 + countries use shannon for military flights including Russia ......

Again nothing to do with ukraine

Downing a drink everytime the US got brought up on thread would not be smart. You'd rapidly die of alcohol poisoning!

I think we receive the message, Putin deserves his 1 x free devastate Ukraine card + certain allowable numbers of civilian deaths and refugees driven into the EU in his special operation because...USA. Oh no, you would not wish to be called a (gasp) hypocrite by some-thing on boards now.