What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

The fertilizer companies did just that last autumn when they saw it wasn’t viable to stay making fertilizer at the time ( yara )

Teagasc advice is to get the urea out because the tips of the grass is going yellow. It's out of nitrogen they say. I thought it was the weather myself. Better pull the spinner out of the shed for next week I suppose.

The problem.is lads that love the rations. They look at sage as a cost never factoring in the ration cost. Until lately the rag was still advocating adlib feeding to finish cattle. They be out doing the cost again in 2-3 weeks.

There is a lot of farmers out there who's silage plan is slurry, a bag of CAN and a bag of 18-6-12. For quality you need N especially and you P and K need to be right. How many lads were going to let P&K slip this year.

Those lads that spread minimal fertlizer are more likely to cut fertlizer back than spread more of it... And you have to factor if they can get it.

The only problem I see is the ability to source seed for all these forage crops. On the combo crop I would use barley and peas, forget about the clover or even barley by itself. Advantage of barley by itself is you can whole crop it and you have a high fiber and high energy crop at a competitive cost. Adding in peas and clover means protein but you energy's level will be lower. I think Proteins may not get overly expensive this year as loads of soya grown in the US and Brazil. Energy will be the real issue.

Whoa there Lad!!!

Talk like that?? Clean out your mouth with some soapy water!!🤣

I already have a sizeable bank of feed in yard as of now ….grass silage is all more than adequate dry cow grub ….pit of maize just open and wheat for wholecropping already in and for harvest in summer….concentrating now on filling grass silage pit with decent quality stuff cut mid may high quality light crops of bales ….a combi crop or beet most likely combi then dd redsrart into it ….westerwolds in after wheat ….most likely no young stock bar fr heifers

2022 won't be a reference year, department are making noise of 2018/2021, 1kg meal is looking like it will pass out milk price per litre, fertilizer if you haven't got it in the yard our ordered mighten be got, 21 as a reference year would be preferable, theirs no way national milk production will increase in 22, a betting man would probably predict a drop of over a billion litres easily if the doomsday scenarios play out

My dad was just saying in all his years farming this is the most uncertain. At least in bad weather years you can get meal etc.

Thought that myself the other day, I'd swap present day today and go back to a 2016 type scenario in a heartbeat, doing the sums on 1000 euro a ton can and going with a bag to the acre on a 21 day round, a 100 cow farm on 100 acres, grazing 5 acres a day will be spending 250 euro a day on fertiliser to keep grass into cows, the sums don't make sense given all other inputs are skyrocketing on top of this, glanbia shamefully using the elb bonus to mask paying 2 cent below lakelands base price has me seriously questioning will they step up to the plate and pay the prices needed to survive this year and I'm doubtful they will

Could they use it to put lads under pressure and get out, save them having to run another retirement scheme and then what's left will be the few big lads tied into them with so much debt they will have them by the balls.

Scale isn't going to save anyone in the current environment, it's quiet the opposite, the smaller set-up with moderate to no debt and cut back numbers and tip away, the bigger lads are the opposite and if production costs exceed output costs they are goosed, you have to remember theirs a significant amount of debt to be paid down by the co-op a dwindling milk pool is nightmare stuff, for Jim and his groupies, with the only way to finance commitments been to hit milk price further then they already are ...

They have rightly messed up with their peak milk supply rules, it basically renders msa void and it won't be a surprise if neighbouring co-ops start recruiting glanbia suppliers to shore up their own milk pools

I was thinking along the same lines, I was restricted in the quota years

Didn't want to see that happening again, but talking to alot of lads, their sick of it

Yeah that's what I thought in that there would be no more reference years for CAP. Would be more in their line to use the land to become more self sufficient rather than keeping 5 meter margins for a few frogs and birds.

He must be using jk's calculator

It's not about bailing out the farmer, it's bailing out the whole industry that farmers are keeping going.