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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Russian inflation already at 20% and currently rising at about 2% a week. Egypt, a big Russian wheat importer, also at 10%

    CNN Op-ed from Moscow on where things are, from a couple of days back.




  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    Putin is hedging his bets. Even if Public support at home is at an all time low after the invasion, he will still get 99% of the E-votes for the 2024 presidential election. There will surely only be one victor!



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx




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    Interestingly, when Smirnov family left Russia after the soviet revolution, the second place they opened a distillery was in Lwow, which was then part of Poland but is now Lviv Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    That is bloody terrifying and a true act of war…

    I guess the pro-Gremlin apologists will dismiss it all as a conspiracy. The Motherland could never do something wrong. It must be the bad West



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,405 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fair play to Georgia for actually taking them in. They have every reason to keep Russians out.

    I wouldn’t want any Russians coming into my country- that’s exactly what has caused the political destabilisation of many of its neighbors including Ukraine



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    I disagree that normal Russians shouldn't be associated with this Regime, they are the ones with the power to overthrow the government. If all Russians came to the streets and caused trouble and riots then this war would take a different stance. The majority of their population is for this war and because of that, I will never again like Russians. I genuinely hope they suffer,because its their own fault for not having the balls to overthrow their corrupt government and Putin. They deserve everything bad that goes their way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    If the US/NATO aren't readying a worst case plan surely their idiots

    They have to stop Putin in his tracks if he goes chemical/nuclear or attacks elsewhere



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,034 ✭✭✭Amprodude


    The US under Biden would wash their hands of involvement mark my words. They would want nothing to do with it. Biden is one terrible president and looks like he's a step always behind Putin.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    I’d rather be dead and gone and a world of nuclear devastation than live in a world dominated by Russia and their like and the absolute **** they are trying to impose.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    I make the difference between the regimen and the ordinary person. The regimen has taken every bit of power away from the ordinary person. The Gremlin have made sure to put all their cheerleaders in positions of authority. There is a culture of fear and suspicion. Nobody can trust anybody. All the wealth is in the hands of a few.

    Even if the ordinary person marches, they will be suppressed…

    The West to figure out ways to minimise money getting into Russia, while facilitating money leaving Russia. The less money in Russia, the less money for the Gremlin to stick their hands into.

    Finally, the one point that makes me worry a bit, and has for some while is the risk of driving the ordinary Russian into the hands of the Gremlin. After Germany was disproportionately affected by the reparation costs, post-WWI, the average quality of life of a German person dramatically decline. This embittered them and led to the ultimate rise of the National Socialist party. If we compromise the quality of life of the average Russian too much, then we feed into the narrative of them versus us and the West is out to get us. They then may paradoxically support the war, because they will have nothing to lose.

    I don’t really know the answer on the sanctions. My opinion has not been set. But I thought that the article provides a very interesting perspective



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    Where's this conflict going. The west is arming Ukraine and increases the likelihood of Putin doing something irrational



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    This is the kind of crap that Russia has been doing for years and getting away with. It's because of this behavior that we are where we are now.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    I really think that the US President is arbitrary at this point. Domestic politics in the US has become so fractured, that the left and right would rather squabble about acceptable nomenclature and to whom the fault of inflation is assigned. It is no longer a unified entity.

    If a Democratic president orchestrates an attack in association with the other NATO members, it will be condemned by the Republicans (with Tucker Carlson front and centre). Similarly, if a Republican President orchestrated an attack, the Democrats would be up in arms about the war-mongering.

    It seems like scoring political points is all that matters now in the US. That makes me really sad. The US citizens need to realise that they are far more alike than dissimilar



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    To be fair, this war is on Europe's doorstep. Europe needs to be standing up and taking the lead on this, not relying on the US.

    There are many posters here who suspect if Russia gets away with taking over Ukraine, then they will move on to another country, like Moldova. So Europe needs to get its act together, and quick.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Ahhrrrgh. That'll tell you how frazzled I was reading the nonesense. Even while correcting him on the meaning of EU, I bloody made a mistake! No more Internet for me this morning. I'm editing the post to avoid further embarrassing myself..



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    But Europe seems to be intending to act defensively rather than offensively. If Europe is hit first by Russia, it will be a rather easier decision for other countries, when deciding if they should support Europe’s war efforts



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Increase the likelihood of him something irrational?

    INCREASE?

    He has already invaded and bombed a sovereign nation.

    He has targeted schools and hospitals.

    He has threatened western nations with nuclear attack

    He is pummelling cities and razing them to the ground.

    We are way, way past the realm of irrational.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    I'm saying Putin won't back down

    Atm the west is half-involved , supplying missiles etc prolonging the conflict or changing the balance of it

    If Putin then goes nuclear/chemical or widens the conflict in desperation we may end up saying why didn't we do nothing at all or go all-in and take Putin out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve



    Interesting thread here on how the military is treated within Russia.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,799 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    I mean, while I would like to avoid getting annihilated in a nuclear holocaust, they should have thrown every sanction available at him when he threatened the nukes in the first place. And I mean everything, oil, gas, the whole lot.

    Cos regardless of what happens now, that genie is out of the bottle and we all live in the spectre of some jackass threatening nukes when they can't get their own way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 34,825 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's a lose lose situation. If we go 'all in' we risk nuclear conflict. That's worse than Ukraine being destroyed and worse than eastern European countries being invaded.

    Best solution at the moment is what is currently being enacted via sanctions and supplying weapons. There are far smarter people working on solving this than armchair tactitians here who think they know better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Wonder are these WP or just incendiary bombs.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Very interesting take on sanctions which overlaps some of the other lectures I’ve listened to. In essence the sanctions don’t really affect Putin, particularly from his iron fist to suppress the people point of view.

    It also suggests that it’s what Putin wanted , kind of like when Hans Gruber wanted the FBI to turn off the power to the nakatomi building but the baddies were celebrating while the FBI thought they’d had a win

    Not so sure Putin would of anticipated the complete response of the West but it’s a fair point. Some of the sanctions will actually galvanise some of the Putin support and possibly strengthen his hold within Russia.

    I think Putin has looked more desperate by throwing Nukes into the conversations. A lot of the footage of him also suggests he’s quite a frail looking petal.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    I see your point and there are many similarities, but in some ways Russia and Russians are worse than the Germans in the 1930's. It's a lot more understandable why they would follow and support the nazis back then. They had been through one of the worst economic depressions in modern history, their currency had been worthless and post Great War punitive sanctions against Germany had hurt, not least their pride, unemployment and political unrest was a regular occurance. Things were stabilising in the early 20's hyperinflation had eased off, unemployment dropped and extremists like the facists and communists lost favour. Then the Wall Street crash happened. Soon a third of Germans were unemployed and the country was going down the poo pipe. Again. Hitler had by pure luck forecast an economic disaster so made hay on the back of it. He gets in and unemployment drops, the economy rallies and he pushes the buttons of Germany's pride and restores it. So by the mid 30's the average German(who wasn't on his extermination list of course) felt much better off and felt Germany was leading the world again and taking 'her rightful place among European nations' and all that jazz.

    With Russia and putin, he also took over during a period of economic and political unrest when the country was being buggered by their own pirates. Got rid of the pirates he hated, brought his own pirates in and continued to bugger the nation, and all of this was in plain view. He gave more scraps from the master's table so the Russian people thought and think he saved them from the bad times and he encouraged them to think that. Germans just before the war felt their country had caught up and was streaking ahead of others, and their early unreal successes in the war bolstered that belief. Russians just before this war knew they weren't, unless they were morons and this war has shown the deep cracks even more plainly.

    Never mind that in the 20's and 30's state propaganda had a much easier time of it. No internet, no mass world media, no social media where information can be minutes old and travel was for the rich, who don't tend to rock any boats. It was far easier to keep a German(or anyone for that matter) in blissful ignorance cheering on the pageantry and surface. Russians today under middle age in urban areas in the west of the country have no such excuses. Even after putin has recently brought down the censorship hammer and sickle, balanced and widespread information is but a click away, never mind what they had access to that and knew before this kicked off. They have chosen to believe and support their side. Even many Russians living and working in the West for years choose to believe and support their side.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,890 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Contraversial I know, but would the Ukrainians be better off surrendering their big cities to avoid Putin grinding them to dust? There's no chance the Russians can hold Ukraine n their country won't be wrecked.


    Have their lads that are defending the cities out in the countryside blowing up every truck n tank in hit n run attacks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 858 ✭✭✭jolivmmx


    “Now, I know it's hard for you, my love, to ever understand

    The love I bear for these brave men, my love for this dear land

    But when Padraig called me to his side down in the G.P.O.

    I had to leave my own sick bed, to him I had to go”



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    That’s the kind of attitude that will repeat the mistakes made through history. As soon as Putin is gone, the west needs to be friendly and supportive of Russia and Russians, embracing them as a people and encouraging their integration into the world order. Punishment and ostracisation of the people will just lead to continued isolationism and a mindset of conflict. And as a result we’ll be back here in another decade.

    In the meantime we need to be welcoming to western minded Russians looking to get out. They’ll be the people who will return and support the independent press etc that will be needed in the future

    i have Russian friends and would absolutely welcome normal Russians into my home



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    The "smart" people have been getting it wrong as regards Putin for the last two decades.

    I'm not sure why anybody would think they're getting it right now, especially as a genocide takes place and Russia is telling us they plan to invade other parts of Europe.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    One thing that is becoming clear as this drags on is that the Russian military, airpower aside, is really not very good. They seem to have a lot of junk equipment and lots of very poorly trained soldiers. Sheer weight of numbers may help them to take some places but even Kyiv is looking more and more out of their reach, but they cannot go any further into the country.



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