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  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Poland's humanitarian response has been inspiring. A credit to Europe.

    Similarly for Moldova... one of Europe's smallest countries. They are going to need a lot of help too in dealing with the waves of people fleeing the conflict.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Hmm. This could get interesting. Lukashenka doesn't have the vice like control on his army the way putin does. Russian leaders from the czars to stalin were always paranoid about the army as they're the real power, if they turn on their glorious leader. If Belarus' forces rebel in any number the Russians could be fighting a war on two fronts. We live in hope...

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    I think someone mentioned on here something about the Russian consul in Limerick.

    The address is gone from pages containing the details. A lot of the info seems to have been removed when landing on the pages.

    Anyone have a reason why that would be? Are offices (outside of the stupid incident in Dublin) of Russians representatives being attacked or other incidents?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    NATO countries are not sitting on the sidelines. The severe damage to Russian equipment is testament to this.

    NATO is a defensive alliance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭I Blame Sheeple


    woke up and chose being a **** today did we leaves



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You don't know what that means either, but at least you're consistent.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Zelenskyy sending a warning to those Siding with Russia in Kherson




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Putin has now moved to playing a long game in Ukraine. Looking at the Chechen and other forces being pushed into Ukraine, the slow encircling of major cities, his creation of a refugee crisis of a size not seen since WW2 and resulting huge food and fuel shortages things are looking increasingly bad for Ukraine, its people and infrastructure.

    Unfortunately Pukin can and will do what he sees fit. He's cute enough to have already threatened non EU / Non NATO countries with similar retaliation if or when those countries or when choose to align themselves with either. If he succeeds in Ukraine, then those threats become increasingly likley.

    One thing I am certain of is that he has to be stopped and not later.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It has a defence pact, but it can also agree to get involved in conflicts without having been first attacked. As has long since been established/stated, the reason NATO isn't already flying planes over Ukraine is the whole possible 💣☢️ thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 767 ✭✭✭technocrat


    Wouldn't it by ironic if this lit the fuse for a revolt in Belarus to finally overthrow Lukashenka.

    Even more satisfying to know he brought about his own demise 😁



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fantasy by this "military expert". Wànk bank stuff for old Soviets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,338 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    And the core elements of this 'win' would be recognition of the 'Russianness' of Crimea and the Donbas and a commitment by Ukraine never to join NATO.

    Zelinsky has signalled his willingness to concede on both but would have to get some alternative guarantee of Ukraine's future security.

    So what could this be?

    One suggestion I saw was to arm Ukraine to the back teeth with everything bar WMD, effectively make them another military superpower. Would likely involve building a Korean-style DMZ along the Russia-Ukraine border. I wonder could this be built up to a point where even the most reckless Russian leader would never consider invading again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    Keep talking in crankish rather than English by all means, you're only discrediting yourself.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I don't know enough about the Ukraine to say whether they should fight or not. They're best positioned to judge that for themselves. I hope they win or achieve some kind of advantageous stalemate and that Putin is diminished.

    But here in Ireland I have opinions on neutrality, censorship, ousting Russian pianists from concerts, accusations of sedition/treason/'pro-Putin'-ism thrown around like confetti.

    Its a seamless continuation of the hysteria against first restrictions-breakers, then the unvaccinated.

    I don't want a political culture based on demonisation and rotating between scapegoats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    What's the end game here if Russia do eventually achieve some sort of Ukrainian submission?

    Russia won't have the resources to support and police Ukraine. We're going to be looking at an even bigger humanitarian crisis but this time one the West won't be able to help with..

    Is the plan here just hoping Ukraine can somehow survive this with a combination of economic sanctions and a supply of Western arms?

    Any sort of Russian success here is going to lead to some real questions needing answers in Brussels and Washington..



  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I asked earlier on the thread but got no answer; any "definition" of genocide I've seen has basically spelled out that for an actual genocide to occur is pretty much impossible and hasn't ever happened. It's a completely meaningless term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭Bayonet




  • Registered Users Posts: 24,356 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Well you can attempt a genocide. You may not ultimately be successful but you can kill a lot of people in the process.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Hypothetically if Russia were to be "successful" in Ukraine. We now know that Putin could invade other non-NATO countries, e.g. Moldova, with impunity. Using the spectre of nuclear war to protect them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Yeah, the cities are being encircled alright, and given enough time Putin's army will likely be able to conquer the country, but this conflict appears to be taking a lot more out of the Russian forces than Putin anticipated. Given the economic sanctions being imposed on Russia, and that will likely remain upon the country if he insists on following through with Ukraine, I don't really see how much of an appetite for war can be sustained in Russia. Maybe the people can stay majority on Putin's side, but the economics of the thing can't really be propagandised away.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Starting from nuclear weapons, you would swear the world just woke up in last two weeks to Russia having nukes (Putin waving them around is sign of weakness and desperation) news for everyone losing their rags about nukes, they had them for long time (and might work as well as the tanks we seeing from Soviet era)

    Eh of course the world knows who has nukes, including Russia and Realpolitik and conflicts around the globe since both sides got them have been based on that fact. Their tanks work well enough. They drive around and shoot, unless they're being nicked by Ukrainian farmers. The biggest stick he has are nuclear weapons, if anything is going to get the grease that's the squeaky wheel that will.

    Hitler had that eras equivalent of nuclear weapons in form of chemical and biological weapons which he could have rained on London etc, he didn’t, neither did allies both opted for conventional weapons

    Actually both considered their use and the Germans used gas on a few occasions. It came damned close to being used more widely, circumstances and happenstance saved the world from that. However their level of destruction is paled by the nuclear threat.

    going back to your spotty recollection of history, Putin had his anchlus in form of Crimea, Donbass is his Sudetenland and Ukraine is his CZ

    Really bad comparisons. The Germans took all three with relative ease and even held onto them until near the end. putin's Crimea was a close run thing, his Sudetenland is not his and resistance is strong and he's unlikely to take his CZ never mind hold it.

    he using the exact same nazi propaganda and tactics of repression at home adapted for the modern tech

    Here we agree.

    Keep in mind I’m not calling for a no fly zone, that should only be done if he uses a WMD in Ukraine until then there is plenty that could be done to cut off Russia from world including literally blockading their shipping and extending sanctions to any country that trades with Russia

    I'd agree with that too, though would avoid a no fly zone like the plague, because he is begging for that. It would be a very early or late Christmas present.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭maebee




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    From the Guardian, speculation on Putin's health/condition:


    Western intelligence believes that Russian president Vladimir Putin’s personality has changed dramatically over the past five years, with the 69 year old Russian leader displaying increasing and obvious paranoia about his health.

    But while the shift in character is marked, intelligence sources say, there is an underlying mystery about what could be the cause – with explanations ranging from cancer, Parkinson’s disease, the onset of dementia or the use of steroids for treatment of another condition.

    “The big tell that Putin is concerned about his health is that he is so obviously worried about coronavirus,” an intelligence source said, citing his insistence on sitting at a distance from foreign leaders like French president Emmanual Macron, or some of his own key figures, such as defence minister Sergei Shoigu.

    He only met China’s President Xi Jinping last month after elaborate coronavirus precautions were taken on both sides.

    “Coverage of Russia is pretty good from both a human and signals intelligence perspective,” a Western source added. “But there is a grey spot when it comes to Putin’s personal health. What we know is that there has been an identifiable change in his decision making in the past five years”.

    Speculation about Putin’s long-term health is widespread amongst Russia experts in the West’s intelligence agencies.

    Similar claims were reported in the Mail on Sunday over the weekend, but ultimately there is no firm evidence to back up any of the theories circulating. Putin is believed to have had three Covid vaccine treatments. One Western source said he had taken the Pfizer vaccine, although the president himself said in June last year that he had received Russian Sputnik jabs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wandererz


    This so surreal. It's like watching the series "Colony".



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,407 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    No, but at least he's publicly stating his feelings on it. Like we are doing on here.

    All Eyes On Rafah



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I think Putin can eventually take the cities through Siege tactics, but it looks like he'll not be able to take the entire country, especially if Russia is reduced to a 19th century economy.

    He'll surround Kyiv with tanks. He'll surround towns in the West of Ukraine with Horse and Cart.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @wandererz

    It's like wabs z0ptching c

    yes



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,559 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Would be a good thing if for St Patricks Day the Ukrainian flag was flown instead or alongside.

    And rather than the green being projected across the globe, the blue & yellow was instead.

    Or perhaps the Ukrainian flag with a shamrock.



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