Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Well while i have questioned Putin's state as a rational actor - its ambiguous at the moment. His government is using 'Loud Speaker Diplomacy' on a grand scale these days. And its counter productive, as they have united the west against them. When Switzerland decides to sanction a state, said state should take notice.

RE the Western media painting Russia using indiscriminate tactics - i dont think they need to. I think it is fairly obvious that civilian infrastructure is being targeted. If Russia have not used Aerial bombings, or purely indiscriminate weapons. OK we can accept this. Seemingly what they have done, is use 'precision capable weapons' with the 'precision settings switched to ZERO'. This may have a lot to do with optics, and the perception they wish to convey both domestically and internationally. And it is subject to change, if the war continues and Ukraine maintains defiance to Moscow.

Yes indeed, there has been several videos emerging recently of mass graves in Mariupol and clearly the people being buried were civilians, not Ukrainian soldiers.

Seriously you don't actually believe that

wtf is this nonsense? I can't tell if this supposed to be smart, funny, angry, clever or what 🤔

Yes - there were several pregnant ladies injured in the attack. At least one is seemingly ok. Sky news carried a picture of the lady and her new born baby, and they were alive. Sadly this lady didnt make it, nor did her baby.

There has been much said by Russia in relation to this attack. I wont over use links and such, as most have been posted elsewhere. Rough summary of the Russian LIES would be

• Use of crisis actors - ladies wearing heavy make up
• The hospital was Empty
• The hospital was 'being used by Neo Nazi Paramilitary units' (lavrov)
• 'We did not actually attack the hospital it was the Ukrainian nationalists' (Russian military)

Utterly despicable - a disgrace

I saw someone mention that 'If Russia tells you its raining, you should definitely check' - i would go as far as to say, if they tell you its raining, ASSUME A SUNNY CLOUDLESS DAY

No different lady.

And to think it was Played down by some as a propaganda even suggesting the maternity hospital was a legitimate military target

It's an amazing coincidence that the Russians attacked a building they thought contained Ukranian Nazis at the same time as the Ukranian Nazis were blowing it up in a false flag operation... This is the universe you will be if you simultaneously believe all the Russian lies at the same time.

 I read in the papers over the weekend that on Saturday March 12, 2022, Saudi Arabia conducted its largest mass execution in its modern history, of 81 convicts. They were reportedly members of Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, and various Houthi groups, and were of Syrian, Saudi, and Yemeni nationality.

There was no detail on the method of execution used, however, they mainly favour beheading. Although, admittedly, they do also conduct stongings, hangings and crucifixion as well just to mix things up a little and depending on the crimes committed by the condemned. 

On top of this, well over 100,000 people are estimated to have died in Yemen since 2014. Mostly due to the U.S and U.K backed Saudi coallition bombing campaign against the Shia minority in Southern Yemen. Millions more are facing famine. 

Furthermore, it is now widely accepted that Saudi Government agents murdered the U.S based Saudi journalist Kamal Kashogghi at their Embassey in Istanbul in October 2018, where he had gone to receive a marriage licence. 

It is assumed that we will all be upping our intake of Saudi Oil over the coming months to make up for the shortfalls resulting from the Sanctions on Putin's Russia due to their criminal invasion of Ukraine. 

How come we aren't demanding that MBS and Saudi Arabia face similar sanctions over their equally abhorrent crimes against humanity that they are currently perpetrating? 

Are we simply picking and choosing which victims are more worthy of our support based on economic imperatives? 

Surely there needs to be some consistency here lads, no?

We've seen quite a bit of this kind of stuff going on globally recently. Maybe it's been going on a while but only been more obvious. But basically pushing a load of different narratives about a single incident to "drown out" the truth and make people skeptical about whether they will ever know what really happened.

• No building was attacked
• Ukraine attacked its own hospital
• It wasn't a hospital and we attacked it because it was harbouring terrorists
• It was empty
• Nobody was injured
• The people who survived are crisis actors

Like you say, when someone is down the rabbit hole of giving any credence to what the Russians are saying, then they find themselves completely disbelieving everything that everyone is saying because they don't just have two conflicting narratives, they have ten.

@Brussels Sprout @seamus

Yeah they don't seem to care enough about presenting an alternative truth to get their lies straight, to even tell the same lie. It's just deliberate muddying of the waters.