Too many people would have to keep it a secret...

"Do your own research" - doesn't do 5 seconds of googling.

"I'm just stating facts" - claims turn out to be not factual.

"I don't have time to address any of your points!" - demands people watch 5 part series of hour long youtube videos.

And that Islamic terrorism doesn't exist

There's a world of difference between talking casually about things and claiming that conspiracies are 100% no-doubt-about-it real and that anyone not accepting this is government shill/member of the sheeple, etc.

Well for one I don't ask "20 questions". This is a mischaractisation that we here a lot as an excuse to avoid a handful of questions at most.

Usually if I ask a bunch of questions in sequence I'm making a rethorical point about how many question the theory begs or how many questions a conspiracy theorist has dodged.

If some came in here with such a claim at the time, I might ask why they believe this.

Is this an unreasonable question?

If the person then did their level best to not answer it at all, would that be reasonable or unreasonable?

But the comparison doesn't really hold though as the theory that the US and Co fudged intelligence reports is not an unreasonable or far fetched idea. The ideas we see here are thinks like the entire space program being faked or buildings being secretly demolished by 3 people or straight out holocaust denial.

You claim that theorists are just wanted to discuss these theories casually as just possibilities or fiction. But if you read some posts, it's pretty easy to see that's not the case. They are declaring these theories the obvious truth that folks like me are just too dumb to get. Have a look at the thread where it's claimed the space program is faked. It's a perfect example.

Do you believe that the op of that thread was reasonable or presenting the idea casually? Do you believe the responses were unreasonable?

Please note that I've asked you a grand total of 4 yes or no questions. I hope this isn't too taxing for you to answer.

But this isn't true.

Why lie about this?

OK let's pretend what you claimed is true.

What do you believe really happened to the plane?

After reading this thread I maintain my belief that Conspiracy theorists are mentally ill and that Boards.ie should not be enabling their behaviours.

Its also notable that still not one person has answered the question implicit in the thread title, about how and why these massive conspiracies are kept secret despite the thousands of people involved.

Perhaps. There is one obvious example in this thread of a poster who knows full well that he is lying and dodging questions, but at the same time what rational person acts in the way that he has? He clearly has issues and I doubt it helps anybody to have them on display like this.

Nah, this is just plain old arrogance, politics and play acting. I don't think it's fair to cast it as mental illness.

We have had people who claim to be victims of "Gang stalking". https://www.vice.com/en/article/aeknya/the-nightmarish-online-world-of-gang-stalking

This kind of claim would be more the type that your concern would be about.

So looks like we'll not be getting any answers from Alan about any of the points he's avoiding.

Again this behaviour and these points highlight the argument we're making.

Alan claims that no wreckage from Flight 93 was found. He also repeats his claim that the items that were found can't possibly be real.

The only two relevant options for the existence of these objects are either they are real and from the flight, or they are faked and planted. If there's other options, no one is suggesting them and I can't think of any that make logical sense.

Note however that Alan deliberately and purposefully avoids saying where he believes those items came from. He doesn't want to outright say that the items were fake and planted even though that's the only option open to him.

I'm sure he'll whine about being "on the fence" or something, but this is made transparent by his repeated dismissal of the official explanation.

So he believes that the items, passports, wedding bands etc are fake. He doesn't want to admit this though because doing so means he might have to defend this notion against the many, many problems with it.

If the conspirators faked these items, then it means they needed people to design the items to fit into their narrative about who died, where and when. Then all of these items need people to manufacture and craft them to look like they'd been in a plane crash. Then they would need people to go out and plant these in the rights spots or have them handed over. Then they would need people on the inside of the investigation teams in various agencies to overlook the fact that these items are fake and announce they were real.

This would require at least hundreds of people all working in complete knowledge of what they were doing and why. All of who stayed completely silent.

And according to Alan, these hundreds of people all worked for nothing. This is because according to him, all of these items couldn't survive the plane crashes and therefore give away the fact they're fake without need of any other evidence. Did none of the people working on these plot realise this?

And then, we still don't know why doing any of this would actually benefit ad conspiracy. Adding these items, even if it wasn't "obvious they couldn't survive", doesn't really help the conspirators.

And then, Alan is also arguing that none of the blackboxes were found even though he believes they all should have survived and should have been found. So according to him, the conspirators spend a huge amount of resources and manpower to fake items that don't benefit them and actually expose the conspiracy, but at the same time, they didn't bother trying to fake blackboxes that would have benefitted them and wouldn't give the game away.

This clearly does not make any sense.

It could be that Alan knows this too, hence why he wants to avoid the topic. But I think it's more that he didn't think this deeply about his claim, but knows that because of this, he wouldn't be able to explain it when someone did.

So again, we have 100s of people being added to the conspiracy for no reason just to make a piece of "evidence" fit.

And this is before we also add in the 100s or people required to help make Flight 93 and all the people aboard disappear.

Again conspiracy theorists show that their conspiracy theories are impossible because they require ridiculous amounts of people involved in plots that don't make any sense.

Wasn't kept a secret very well. Official investigation started in 05 or 06 if I remember correctly.

Many in here refer to conspiracies that would have to involve thousands or even millions of people, all being kept perfectly under wrap.

Right. My point was that Epstein didn't manage to keep it a secret, it started to come out around 17 years ago.

Okay but you suggested a lot of people had kept Epstein's secret for "long enough". I don't see that as being the case. It wasn't a very well kept secret at all.

You believe a massive list of characters (including secret Nazi's) were involved in 9/11. Likewise you believe a cartoonishly long list of people (including secret Nazi's) were involved in JFK.

You are agreeing with a poster who thinks satellites and all space travel are fake - a conspiracy that would involve millions of people, all in on it, for no apparent reason.

If you want to believe those kind of things, fine, but all these fiendishly complex plans always work perfectly in your world. Yet in reality, politicians can barely do anything without cocking it up.

You randomly decide something from history is "fishy", and you then invent your own made-up story to explain it, which becomes the "truth" according to you. You change your mind a week later and invent another story. Rinse, repeat.

These scenarios you create have fantastical plans involving huge amounts of people doing fiendish things and everything works perfectly without a hitch. And you're the only one who has uncovered this plan, until you change the story a week or a month or a year later.

NASA isn't a "branch" of the CIA. You believe all space flight, satellites, etc are faked. That wouldn't just involve NASA (and anyone who has ever worked with them from the sixties), it would involve Russia's space programs, the Chinese, European space agency, etc. Plus anyone whose ever worked in satellite TV across the world, oh and everyone whose ever worked on GPS. Plus astronomers, physicists and significant chunk of the science community. Ah yes and the approx 10,000 SpaceX employees, Blue Origin's 4,000 employees.

We're talking millions of people, all perfectly keeping the whole thing a secret over decades

Or you are simply wrong..