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What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It grazing ground mostly. Grazing off silage ground at present before spreading slurry.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭straight


    The lawn is 5 degrees this morning. Still too soon I guess.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    An ethical question for ye.should a coop put a limit on what fert each member can buy of current stock at we ll say spring prices or should they sell it to people who are prepared to buy it all now and let the rest fire.should the Coop try to get cheaper fert to all customers or should it be first come



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Dairygold are trying to ensure all existing customers have enough for first half of year, bought mine in dec / jan and went to secure more for the rest of the year and they wouldn't sell it to me



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭alan10


    Was going to put out 18-6-12 tomorrow on grazing ground - wondering same myself?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Was down the shop there and an artic load of 18-6-12 parked up. 15 pallets on board - 30 ton. It's amazing how previously ya wouldn't pass any heed to a load of that and now yer calculating the cost of the load



  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭alan10


    Got quote 910 for 18-6-12 and available this morning. Ordered a pallet



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,557 ✭✭✭kk.man


    im going to chance it tomorrow myself, walked the land last night its fairly dry. It wont grow in the bag ...as they say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,321 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    First come, first served…even if just one farmer buys the lot!

    We are supposed to be running a business in a capitalist system, not some socialist/communist ‘égalité’ bullsh1t.



  • Registered Users Posts: 598 ✭✭✭Fine Day


    Jumping up every week now. Be interesting to see where it levels out at. The temperature are to increase in the coming days so should put abit of heat in the ground. Oil below the $100/barrel now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Aghhh dwag I’d love to have you as a neighbour …..that attitude by some of the bigger farmers here has led to the hatred of dairy farmers by some



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Arrabawn suspending all fertiliser sales till further notice

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,832 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The cure for reduced fertilizer demand globally tends to be the man in charge hanging from a lamppost with the city in ruins and 20 different groups fighting over the big seat.

    The food has to keep coming.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Pinsnbushings


    The pricing for what may become available will be unviable economically to purchase now, so I'd say demand will drop fairly sharpish second half of the year. I'd say most will spread a bit less and have alot if not all there fert sourced for the year now. I don't know how anybody with big numbers of stock wouldn't have something done about it by now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭CHOPS01


    Paid for a pallet earlier today. €887 a tonne collected. Dairygold. Normally have it delivered but no orders for delivery been taken until next Tuesday and could be 2-3 before I'd have it. Twill be spread lightly.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭Easten


    Sahara dust storm spreading across southern Europe, made it as far as the south of England so far.

    It would be mighty if we got a blast of that dust here as it's very rich in phosphorous K and also a smaller amount of potassium.

    https://apnews.com/article/storms-france-environment-spain-weather-b7c2830cc0bda47bd1691aaf03d3061a



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Have enough till June(which isn't paid for) I'll hold out till June before buying again as Bank account allows .. I'm going to wait till temperatures rise before spreading, taking no chances anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    When cattle are in a long time they can fail to thrive. When feeding high rates of ration thrive normally starts to drop around 90 days in bullocks.. This is with cattle fresh in off grass. Cattle that are in all winter (100 days plus) can develop problems if you start to feed, its not just friesians. They will not develop these problems straight away but after about 50+ days feeding. Even if they do, thrive can/will drop off after 70 days as opposed to 90 days.You really need to be at the top of you game feeding cattle that are inside that long. You need to be into your diets and additives to prevent stomach problems or laminitis. Of all cattle the conversion rate of friesians is unforgiving. 520 average means that there could be cattle 450-600 kgs in he bunch. Anything under 550 will struggle to finish indoors in 90 days. You will be into cattle not grading and FS2=/+ with the processorspenalise you for.

    He has the cattle if he is not gping to not graze them he needs to convert what grows into money that will yield this opportunity money. I would be slow to sell them. The better cattle will make the 2-2.1/kg maybe even more. The lighter ones may be back at 1.8-9/kg. But those heavier friesians will be the ones weighing coming off grass in July.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,321 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    Good point.

    However the Coops are only middlemen. They don’t produce any fertilizer, they just buy and resell at a profit. If a Coop was to work like you want them to work, then they should buy enough for all adherents…?

    If farmers bought fertilizer when everyone (bar Teagasc) were encouraging farmers to secure supply, there wouldn’t be any need to be pointing the finger of ‘egalite’ at the Coops. As far as I can see you’re expecting the Coop to exceed the remit of its ethos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,321 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    If the Coops really wanted to treat everyone equally they would allow all farmers to buy directly off the distributors/assemblers…but no they want to make a good margin off ye.

    Anyone that come up with a LoC can buy direct from factories/assemblers/importers here. That’s more like égalité.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,962 ✭✭✭amacca


    Any business that sells something critical to a large group of customers normally that decides to prioritise and sell to one big lad in a time of need rather than even make a pretence of trying to divide it up better keep a good eye on the long grass down the road imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Disagree …..then the big boys will have all the power due to more financial clout …..or is that what they want us to believe 🤔….not targeting all the bigger operators same way but some are real greedy ……..and they don’t care who they trample over



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Won't be buying so much as kit-kat of my co-op here going forward, the messing that went on with them trying to get quotes for fertilizer in dec/Jan was comical, dealt with a local merchant after and will be from now on, at least your point of contact is one man and a 2 minute phone call is all you need to get prices and arrange terms....

    You'd of thought self-preservation would of lead them to lock-in fertiliser earlier on to have a supply for their suppliers but they abdicated responsibility that's all well and good, but looking forward destroying farmer confidence that they now see their co-op hasn't got their backs, will lead to some pretty far reaching consequences for milk volumes going forward, and we all know that billions spent on stainless steel that's still been payed back needs x amount of milk going through it yearly to make the sums work...



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,209 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    Really tell me how that is going to work in an Irish context where you have guys ranging from a pallet a year to hundreds of tons.no distributer is going to deal with couple ton a year guys .bit of back ground info.fert sales were well down in local coop up to ukraine war and in the 2 weeks after took orders for 70% of normal year total sales with some fellas wanting to buy next years.is it right that a few(bigger guys) hoover up the cheaper stuff and let other members fire ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭older by the day


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40830116.html . This country. Did you see the decommissioning of the 70 turbine Galway windfarm. No wonder we depend on imports



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Co-ops were caught between a rock and a hard place. They were looking at a commitment of over twice previous years outlay to buy fertlizer. Supply was scarce because of the rise in price it was 4-6 weeks later than usual that deals were done.

    Because if this usual pricing was not available before Christmas. I would be surprised if any two shipments came in at the same price over the last 3-4 months. Co-op did not want to be varying price's from one week to another. Customers would be angry if they bough to day and it was 50/ton cheaper in a week's time.

    Untill the Ukraine invasion all indications were that fertilizer prices would drop in late April/May. The Ukraine invasion shifted the concern from just price to supply.

    I always work on the analogy that business is business. I never burn bridges. I understand that co-ops are like the public service at time and move slowly.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    Its not just the public service - any big organisation with multiple layers of management moves slowly. Most manager types have little to do and so need to justify their position. As a result, they get themselves involved in everything and anything going on, but only at the planning/decision stages

    Trading as Sullivan’s Farm on YouTube



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