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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,818 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Err ... yes, we are doing what Germany does.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    And yet bizarrely you did not know that Ireland had its own reserves of natural gas. And we now need more than ever a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas. That would be best for Ireland. Germany of course will do what's best for Germany. And yet we have some here who seem to be quite happy to kick Ireland in the bolloxs and make sure Ireland won't even be allowed to find new reserves of natural gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,074 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Irish greens have been beating the rest of us over the head for years with Germany being the bestest boys and girls in class that we should all be emulating without question.

    Now that Germany has recognised the realities and bitten the bullet on LNG, plus their increase in the use of coal to make up for wind not being a reliable energy source, like the articles wiped from the Green Party website it seems we are all now expected to pretend Germany does not exist either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,177 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I think we need to differentiate between eco friendly policies and the policies of the most ridiculous party in the country who simply happen to have the name green party.


    One is worth investing in long term. The other is really ruining the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1




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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Petrol engine spew out carcinogens also, bigly. 🤦‍♂️ You know sweet FA about combustion engines on top o everything else.

    John Gormely was the one that convinced Putin to invade Ukraine. 🙄



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    If you want to discuss Sinn Fein I suggest you head over to that thread. No point bringing those loopers into this thread



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Never heard anything about the Greens and Germany, yes they would mention other countries like Netherlands etc to provide information on what they have done

    You seem to be the only one obsessed with the Germany. We are ireland. That’s it, if you want to discuss Germany renewal maybe start a Thread on them, just an idea. They have no relevance



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    I'm not bothered about stats and figures for now, but that idiot of a Ryan dismissing the call for the carbon tax in May to be withheld until people can try and get some sort of handle if possible on the massive hikes on fuel and power were experiencing just shows how out of touch this crowd are.

    And I'm not going to mention his south facing salad boxes. Idiot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The gas you keep talking about doesn’t even supply 50% of our requirements now and in future less than 10%. Whoopdiedo we have a tiny gas supply. We should use for public use.

    You seem to constantly repost the exact same questions/information, this was already discussed numerous times, other people have pointed out exploration was going on 50 years etc. Not sure why?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,177 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes



    lol funny on a serious note

    everyone knows who i am talking about and i doubt they will exist after the next election



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Greens, FF, FG, name me a party that we haven’t had a prediction that they won’t exist after the next election.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,177 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    That’s a full house

    the only one left is PBP …..it’s worth noting for the Shinners, if SF didn’t go into hiding after last election they would have ended up with the Greens as part of the government and you will need them by the looks of it in 2025 🤣🤣

    Well of course if SF don’t go into hiding again



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,177 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    why do you keep bringing up shinners? Its weird i haven't mentioned them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Ahh sorry it’s just the normal around here for SF supporter to predict every other party will not exist after the next election

    Just pointing out as well the Green Party in all probability will be part of the next government no matter which party “wins”. So your prediction of the Green Party not existing is not really correct now is it?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People keep talking about the Greens disappearing after the next election yet it will not be the case as the Green Party will exist and contest local, national and EU elections for many years to come regardless of the number of seats they hold in any of those.

    The GP is a different beast, politically speaking, to Ff, FG, SF etc in this regard as they are wholly focused on enacting changes that protect the environment whereas most parties are in it to get into power for powers sake.

    Being in govt allows them to enact changes swifter but not being in govt does not preclude them for doing this, it just slows the pace of the changes they want to bring in.

    They do a massive amount of work at the local level to raise awareness of environmental issues. Their success can be seen in the changes almost every party has made to their own manifestos to make themselves appear as "green" too as the electorate are getting more clued into the topic.

    There is also a prevailing hope that a lot of their policies will be reversed if they are not returned to power and while this may hold true for a few policies, it won't be the case for the majority.

    For all the hate ER gets, he has transformed environmental legislation and requirements from being an afterthought to being at the fore of every single policy across virtually every dept in the government.

    In fact, the carbon budgets and climate action legislation has ensured that all future Govt's are legally required to keep momentum going. Should they wish to reverse that momentum, they will be challenged and lose in the courts as has been seen consistently over the last 2 years.

    The legislation is there now and the courts are ensuring it is adhered to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Most of the turbines were installed when the Greens didn't have a seat at the table, same for legislation allowing people to install larger solar arrays than councils would give tham planning for. If no other country has built a green hydrogen industry, you might want to wonder if the idea is viable practical.

    Most of the climate imperative comes from EU requirements anyway so all parties will take action to meet those. What you get with the Greens is nonsensical legislation like diesel vs petrol and trying to ban LNG entirely, punitive CO2 taxes and unachievable targets for home heating refurbishment, 'encouraged' by punative fuel cost increases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Can you please explain why the cost of building houses is the fault of the Green party?



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Have you looked at the data? https://inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol46/46-01.html

    "Overall Evaluation

    Diesel engine exhaust is probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A).

    Gasoline engine exhaust is possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B)."

    In one study, they fed rats petrol engine exhausts for 2 years and no increase in cancer rates was observed.

    Diesel exhausts contain the most potent carcinogen ever discovered, petrol exhausts don't.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I am sure we already had this discussion on another thread.

    In 2008 the science pointed to diesel been better for the environment. This was all the data. No country knew different. The problem was all the car manufacturers lied(As on the other thread it wasn't just VW it was all of them).

    If the data was correct and if the car manufacturers didn't lie then the change would have been of benefit to Ireland. Nobody in the World knew the lies been told.

    Plus on top of all that, nobody could predict what the population would do, scrapping good cars at huge cost to reduce tax by a few hundred. Even now you see people shouting about the Greens are telling people to scrap cars for electric. Which they have NEVER done. They have told you that IF you are buying a new car you should be buying an electric if it suits your requirements

    They have told you to keep your existing car as it is better for the environment to drive it into the ground and then scrap it. Like Eamonn done himself.

    I am 100% sure you will ignore all of this like you did last time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Well once again your comment shows your own ignorance on that subject

    "Tiny gas supply" my arse

    In 2016 the corrib gas field alone contributed the equivalent of 50% of Ireland's gas consumption. With 58% in total coming from all indigenous natural resource reserves

    Today that figure is approx 30-35% of Ireland's gas consumption

    You ask why the same topic is being discussed? You mean posters discussing the need for Ireland to be able to use its own Natural resources? Or maybe where your own ignorance meant you didn't even know we had our own indigenous natural gas supply?

    Maybe a better question would be, why the continued diatribe against Ireland being able to use indigenous natural gas resources going forward?

    Or maybe why has the exploration and exploitation of natural gas resources has effectively been shut down because of the dictates of a small number of green party extremists in this country at a time when a safe, secure and dependable supply of gas is needed more than ever?

    Maybe put a bit of thought into those questions rather than simply blindly pushing the green party manifesto as if its gospel and the discussion would be a bit more constructive

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    I am?

    You asked "where are these oil and gas fields ah, companies have only been looking for 50 years"

    And I gave a detailed reply to that. Ie facts related to the number of successful natural gas field finds in Ireland over the last 50 years. You can look that information up yourself to verify.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There are few things cheaper now than 14 years ago. Added to that, covid and logistic issues have seen raw materials skyrocket in the last 2 years.

    Homes are also built to far higher standards now than back then.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    The policies of lunatic fringe party politics certainly hasn't helped eitherway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,047 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    BS. Diesel exhaust containing the most potent carcinogen ever discovered has been known about since 1997. It's not just NOX - the diesel particulates problem has always been know and isn't part of dieselgate and on it's own should have been enough to never favour dieslels, but the hysteria over CO2 prevailed. So that's two issues with diesels that are enough to never favour them, were known in 2008 and which have nothing to do with NOX vs CO2 and dieselgate.

    And as for the idea nobody could predict - that is an outrageous lie. The whole Fuc*ing point of the punative VRT rates, the skewed excise rates and the skewed registration costs was precisely to change behaviour, and those 3 measures had the desired effect. The tax changes were not subtle.

    Next you will be telling us carbon taxes aren't intended to raise revenue or change behaviour.

    Please provide a link to the advice from the government in or around 2008, where people were advised to keep their current cars and not switch to diesels?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Well first off the minimum wage was lower. So you want to build a house but pay the builder less than minimum wage?

    Also building standard change to make sure the house is build well and is cheaper to heat etc. Do you want to build a house to lower standard and then waste thousands more on heating the house?

    Also between 2011 - 2020 the Greens had no part in the government, so how exactly did they affect the building standards during that period?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/9463f6-historic-nmw-rates/



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You again repeat the same rubbish. 50 years exploring and found nothing, yet you are complaining the Greens have shut it down. Can you please explain what you are going to find after 50 years of finding nothing?

    Denmark, NZ, France etc have all banned as well by the way so it's not like Ireland is the only country in the World who has stopped exploration.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    To be fair, I've never seen a builder NOT complain about regs.

    Without them we'd still be using single pane windows and no insulation.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You accused the Green's of driving up the cost of housing, back it up then. What policy have the Greens implemented to drive up the cost of housing?

    Especially as the period you mentioned the Green had no representative in government from 2011-2020



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