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  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    one of the most difficult things in that type of marriage is saying no to the extended family. Most western men have no understanding so just give in to the demands. Respect is lost from the extended family, and the wife loses respect for the husband. Sure her extended family get to live a western lifestyle at home, but she is under pressure and cannot start her own family as every spare cent has gone home! A native husband would say no to all that crap from the beginning of the marriage

    The simple act of saying no and following through paradoxically leads to increased respect and cohesion from all concerned. That said one must understand that there are certain circumstances that one does pay up.. ie the unexpected medical bill, the college fee etc.

    I am considered a revered uncle(and the wife a revere aunt) by the extended family, because we are reliable in times of genuine emergency or to get a relative through college, or a loan for a plane ticket to take up a job. My MIL hated me because her casino and "face"(ie showoff) money disappeared overnight. Wife was delighted i took the stand early in the marriage



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A native husband would say no to all that crap from the beginning of the marriage

    I kinda agree with you, but the dynamics of the relationship are very different for a westerner vs a native husband. It really depends on the culture. In China, the wife controls the purse strings, giving an allowance to the man, but ultimately controlling where money is spent. That gives enormous power in such a culture.. which is something many feminists fail to recognise. In China, the expectation is that the man is the public face of the relationship, and the wife deal with the private considerations, including that of managing the extended family. So, it often appears that the man has the control, but in reality, there's a breakdown of power and authority.

    That changes with western relationships with Asians.. often with the male taking control over everything outside of the home itself, including the finance aspects. Which runs counter to the expectations of most Asian women, and while they'll accept it (the whole cute dismissive play), it lessens the control they have over the relationship.

    But the extended family is the marriage... and needs to be well explored before getting married, establishing allies, and identifying threats. At least that's what I've been told by friends who have been married for decades with Asian wives.

    But yes, being a "man" is far more important with Asians, and the near constant attempts to get Asian women to decide things (where to go, what to eat, etc) leads them to expect that they're going to dominate the relationship, because it's the opposite of their own cultural norms. Standing up for yourself and your missus, really leads to a better life when it comes to the extended family. They're a lot like having some dogs, in that they'll constantly test the boundaries, leaping at the chance to steal something, but ultimately respecting you if you maintain the boundaries effectively.

    I was engaged to be married to a Chinese woman, and we got very near to sealing the deal. The general family liked me, and we got on well together.. but one of the grandmothers hated me (or rather all foreigners), and soured the overall family against the relationship, as a threat to their sense of harmony (another aspect many foreigners never learn to appreciate.. Harmony and energy beliefs). So, even after I'd jumped through all the hoops, paid the marriage prices etc, it was all ended because one of the matriarchs decided against it. It's one of the reasons I laugh when I hear feminists go on about Asia and the lack of equality... they really have little appreciation for the power/influence that women can have in such a culture.


    Did you meet your wife in the west or in Asia?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,887 ✭✭✭enricoh


    A lot of white right wing guys have Asian girlfriends- have you ever been to Ireland yourself Mark?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    This post positively resonates with the deep insight of personal first-hand experience. Please stay strong; things do get better, eventually..



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Met the wife here in Ireland. She came here as a skilled worker. While there is some chinese heritage in her culture(and her gentics) the men are in charge. Holdover of centuries islamic(light) dominance then followed by centuries os spanish occupation.

    We are an unusual match as in we are professional and financial equals



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  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭sutrapall


    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

    Zero-culture is multiculturalism.


    You can't be a cat and a dog and an elephant and a squid at once. Each individual term is rendered meaningless by it's conjunction. You aren't a cat if you are also a squid. You're a blob of disjointed, uncharacteristic amalgamation that is the very opposite of refined and cultivated.


    "Multiculturalism" is newspeak that doesn't withstand an iota of scrutiny.


    What do you get when you cross a terrier with a Labrador with a shihtzu with an alsacian with a bulldog with a jack Russell and so on? Indistinction, ill-recognition, undefinable, ahistorical, and so it is with culture too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    Welcome to the thread. You'll find that this is a nice safe space for you to spout stuff like this and get congratulated for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭sutrapall


    The simple truth of the matter? Why, thank you very much. Not that I'd assume you move in circles of rationality from your back-handed double-speak, but you'll find many people have a brain if you ever venture forth into the bright light of reality outside the internet. Common discussion, even.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    the dregs of white guys you find in Thailand and Phillippines are most definately not socially conservative. They have high rates of welfare dependency, are more likely to be losers at home and suspect most have a prediliction to the underage. The Brits among them would almost universally come from a Labour supporting backround



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  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭sutrapall


    There's nothing extreme about simple statements of reality. The sky is blue, self-evidently, no matter how many mickey fits are thrown.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't know, I've seen blue, grey, black, pink, yellow, orange etc skies. Even seen skies with lots of colours mixed together.

    It's the variation in the colours that makes it so beautiful to so many.

    This is the case with many aspects of life



  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭sutrapall




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Just like a rainbow. Something that’s ultimately an optical illusion.

    It’s never quite where you expect it to be and it’s appearance is dependent on the perspective of the person viewing it.

    Illusion is the operative word though. Pretty apt when considering the multicultural nirvana a few outliers are trying to impose on a reluctant European populace..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There's a crock of something at the end of some rainbows



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Hamachi


    Only in mythology to which some naive, slightly deluded souls subscribe.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I like the one about Tír na nÓg myself

    That or the Giants Causeway one



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, you've gotten away with posting nonsense for months.. you keep coming back.

    Gibberish. Sounds too much like a hippy fest.

    Now, if you're interested in a decent discussion using normal English, then I'm game. I'm sure the rest are too. Don't mind Mark though. He's never managed to engage in a conversation, can't seem to manage countering anything, and has an enormous love for soundbites.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Um, you do know what being Incel entails? They wouldn't be having a relationship with a woman if they were Incel. Now, bitter over having been treated badly by western women, and choosing to get an Asian partner? Yeah, sure, there's quite a lot of those kinds of Western guys in Asia. Seems a lot of men don't like the bias in western culture that favours women over men in legal matters such as divorce, or child custody. As for the girl, being exploited, it's unlikely. The places these guys meet these girls are usually chockablock with pro's. Women/girls who have dated foreigners before, and if we're talking Thailand/Vietnam/Cambodia/Philippines, then, they've likely had some experiences as escorts. "nice" girls from those countries don't tend to date most foreigners, until they've been cleared by a member of her family. Anyway, Asian women are more than capable of protecting themselves, having had to deal with the aggression that comes from the men of their ethnic/cultural group.

    You seem to be crisscrossing movements or attitudes here. Anyway, Asian women will appeal to those on the right because most Asians appreciate the value of conservative/traditional lifestyles. I suspect everyone to the right of being left is a supremist to you... Although it's worth pointing out that many Asians can have white skin. Even without the skin treatments, some Asian ethnic groups historically were paler than other Asians. Not all Asian ethnicities are the same.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Do you have proof for your claims or are you just making this up !



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭rgossip30


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Site is still fundamentally broken, 8/9 months on or whatever it is.

    Anyway...

    Listening to NT here and predictably now the Asylum seekers are complaining about our response to Ukrainian refugees and essentially want the same fast tracking.

    I can see their point in that we should absolutely be deciding on applications faster, but I am increasingly concerned about the Ukrainian response for different reasons having listened to O'Gorman yesterday on NT as well.

    There seems to be no thought of an upper limit of Ukrainian refugees that we will accept. Instead the focus seems to be acquiring or repurposing accommodation to house them and issuing PPS numbers and settling them for what seems to be the medium to long term with numbers in the tens of thousands or higher still being floated.

    Now, we should absolutely help as much as we can, but what seems to be happening here is the same free for all that we've already been feeling the effects of with the existing asylum seekers/DP system.

    As genuinely tragic as the situation in Ukraine is, the reality is that we cannot support or house everyone that arrives on our doorstep (a texter to O'Gorman's segment rightly pointed out that wouldn't it be great if we could be so responsive to our existing housing crisis), but so far the response seems to be more about virtue signalling our willingness to help and the more naive among the population calling for Irish and NATO involvement (which would only escalate the situation to a place we don't want to go).

    As unpopular as the above may be, are we sleepwalking into yet another crisis?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can see their point in that we should absolutely be deciding on applications faster

    That we should be approving their applications faster... I doubt many of them would be willing to drop the multiple rounds of appeals so that administrators can focus on those in the system.

    Deportations of those here illegally, or those who have had their Asylum claim denied, would free up loads of resources, allowing us to cater to the needs of the Ukrainian refugees. However, I agree with you that these refugees are here for the long-term. Thankfully, the focus is on them working, rather than providing Asylum-like supports, so there's scope for the economy to grow. We're likely to see a rash of small sized companies spring up, especially in tech, which is something the Irish economy kinda lacks after covid and past recessions.

    But yes, we're setting ourselves up for a fall.. but there is an opportunity here too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,973 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    On about 200k now potentially coming in. Our politicians are dangerous fools to allow that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Simon Coveney was on the news saying other services may suffer. I’m not sure he’s prepared for interest rate hikes and servicing our existing debt. Then add rising fuel and energy cost with inflation and we are looking at some tough times ahead with limited government help.

    They are also looking at putting refugees in student accommodation, that will be interesting to see what happens when the next term starts. Good luck getting a place to live in Dublin as a student. I’m still not seeing long term plans on how this is going to work.

    Also the digs are already starting about how this refugee crisis is being dealt with compared to Syria or the ME, as of course there are no social or religious problems from those places, they’ll all be down the local for a pint.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    TBH It's just too easy to rain doom and gloom on this overall situation...



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    It’s too easy because it’s too obvious as to what’s going to happen.

    the script is written and for Irish people it’s not going to be a happy ending.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    Is anyone allowed to ask the conditions on them returning? Because this could easily turn into economic migration for the long term.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,278 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Imaging you are a student in say Donegal…after working your hole off. You want to come to Dublin to study medicine…you have the points…

    where are you going to live ? rent will be sky high, if you can find anything ! Supply vs demand in an industry that political people don’t wish to regulate ….How will you live ?

    country is a shîtshow



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,304 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You plan for the worst but hope for the best. They don’t even have a compensation plan for the properties being offered. Three months from now the generosity of offers will dry up if people are not being paid and I’ve no doubt they will be as it’s the tax payer footing the bill. I wonder how many Dail members will be hosting refugees and paying for it out of their own pocket?



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