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You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,020 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    A noooooo, I was just getting my head around George soros controlling everything and now I’ve klaus schwab to worry about 😂😂😂



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    It's hardly suddenly... I've been hearing it since I returned to Ireland, just before covid arrived.



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    It's playing to attention spans. With the short attention spans, the media knows to rotate in and out issues that they want pushed. Ukraine has the limelight for now, but something else will come along soon enough, and then, we'll likely see references to Ireland being unsafe again. It would be a bad play to attempt placing a domestic issue as being more important a consideration than Ukraine right now.

    And crime/violence in Ireland is a real problem that needs to be tackled. However, the true problems aren't going to be tackled, because that would mean re-examining aspects of Irish society, that nobody wants to tackle. How teenagers are raised, how the justice system is failing everyone, how the nature of crime in Ireland is changing... it's simply easier to blame "men" for it all.

    Not to worry though. Give is a few weeks, perhaps a month, and we'll see the same push against men in society again. It's not going to go away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    The military action in Ukraine has made women in Ireland feel safe.

    I can't really see the logic in that but you're entitled to your opinion. I'm sure there are others on here who will agree with you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    This is gaslighting at its most obvious. Reacting to events like the death of a woman while going for a jog in the middle of the day by calling it hysteria and then effectively saying they should stop complaining because other countries are more dangerous.

    Leaving aside that it is always the case that stories have a natural evolution of interest peaking and waning for various reasons and the conspiracy theory that it is controlled by the media who are actively managing stories to fit an overarching narrative, can I ask you a direct question.

    How have you experienced this 'push back against men in society'?

    Be as specific as possible please, what way has it impacted your life in a real and negative way.



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    This is an interesting new tactic.

    The media managing stories to fit a narrative is apparently now a conspiracy theory, and now asking for specific anecdotal evidence, when anecdotal evidence is usually not taken with any degree of credibility.

    I'll get the popcorn ready.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Would rather some evidence please rather than popcorn, specifically in relation to Irish media given that that what the point was made in relation to.



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    So, just to be sure, and so I am not attributing an opinion to you...

    it's your opinion that the media do NOT manage their stories to fit in with a particular agenda, which in turn sways public opinion?

    And you are asking people to prove that they do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    It definitely happens, I've referred to it throughout this thread. It happens specifically in the cases of some US and UK media that has specifically, and expressly formed in order to push this narrative.

    I don't believe that it happens within Irish media, to the same degree we, or anywhere close. There are influential voices which are vocal on their own opinion which does influence public discussion, and some individuals, such as the former owner of INM who certainly tried to limit discussion around his affairs.

    But outside of that example, which was primarily selfishly focused rather than ideologically I don't think that there is an organization which is trying to push a narrative to direct public opinion but rather they are reporting in a manner that is consistent with it.

    (Some print media does speak very favouravly of business and finance obviously, but that's been the same since they originated aimed at those markets)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Russia, the country run by a nutty former KGB agent(who has stated how devastating the break up of the far left USSR was) is now a talisman for far right beliefs according to the OP.

    That's the problem with people who have extremist views, they can never see any fault on their own side.

    Russia is currently run by men who want to see a return to the old soviet order of extreme left wing communist insanity. All anyone can associate they're current behavior with is the Nazis.

    The OP posted a diatribe about how they and their pals have been warning us about the far right for years whilst ignoring the fact that a far left dictator is responsible for the war in Ukraine.

    The only contribution the likes of the OP have made to political discourse over the last decade is to over simplify everything down to a point where anything bad that happens must be have been carried out by the Far right /Nazis as if the far left only ever did good in the world.

    These people need everything to be simplified down to black and white when the reality is shades of grey, something they're not equipped to process.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    If you think anything about Putin in particular or Russia in general since at least the end of WW2 has represented anything to do with the ideals of communism, you are in no position to be expressing judgement on my capacity to contribute to political discourse.

    There's so much laughably wrong to suggest Putin is a Far Left Dictator, but I'll keep it simple for you. If he was, do you think Tucker Carlson and GOP members of congress would be singing his praises as they have done?

    I do welcome the evidence of this train of thought on here. It's why we are in this mess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Evidence of the mess I am talking about.

    Anyone have any idea what it is Republicans want Biden to do?

    I mean, I know they want him to lower Gas prices and lower inflation even though they are against government interference in the free market every other day of the week. But what example are the giving of action he should take with respect to Ukraine? Their guy tried to blackmail Ukraine in order to get aid so even by that bar, Biden is doing very well.

    I have absolutely zero doubt that if he were to suggest Nato enforce a no fly zone over Ukraine they would simultaneously blame him for being a war monger and rub their hands in glee at the money that would flow towards the military but can anyone point to an example of a cogent argument from a republican on what Biden should be doing differently.



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    Blackmailing the Ukraine is bad.


    "I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired"



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So communist Russia was only communist until the second world War? Until then Russia was a utopian paradise?

    These ideals of communism you're talking about, are they the same ideals that led Vladimir Lenin to kill millions of people?

    This is the problem with modern political discourse, people like you grandstand about how others aren't qualified to comment on topics that you yourself have no insight into.

    Putin is in a very pure sense a far left dictator. Here's the thing, all dictators are typically bad people who do bad things, you get hung up about whether they're right or left wing dictators when the results of either are always the same, the death of innocent people. We see an army invading another country an think "Nazis" because we're so dumbed down in terms of our historical insight.

    You're determined to make everything about the nonsensical left/right world view you're so invested in.

    The opportunism of people like you in the wake of the Ukraine invasion is sickening. "I warned you about the far right" or "Trump did nothing to stop Putin, so this is his fault" are common arguments put forward and it's embarrassing to read it. Trump didn't take a firm enough stance with Putin, neither did Obama or W Bush, Putin has been around a long time and nobody did anything about him. Trump is an insufferable gobshite but it's stretching logic very thin to suggest he's responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now.

    You'd welcome evidence of what I'm saying? Putin was a dyed in the wool member of the soviet elite who has publicly denounced the break up of the soviet union and is actively attempting to reestablish what he sees as a legitimate Russian empire. He was born and raised in the communist system of the Soviet era but according to you he's a fascist. To any rational person this just demonstrates how little difference there is between the far left and far right when it comes down to the end results of both ideologies.

    Next time you want to get on your high horse about the virtues of the "ideals of communism" maybe fo the smallest amount of research first, because the nonsense you've posted above as a rebuttal is embarrassing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    What makes you think it was blackmailing?

    This from USA Today

    The claim: Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to assist his son, Hunter Biden

    Our rating: False


    Based on our research, the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

    Any answer to the question I asked?



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    Biden laughed and joked about withholding money from the Ukraine unless he got what he wanted.

    I never said anything about his son.

    Now we can go into how his son got his job in the Ukraine if you want, because I'm not entirely sure how a crack addict with no previous experience gets such a high paid position...

    I'm sure it's all perfectly legitimate.

    I'm sure the left wing news were entirely honest about the laptop belonging to hunter too and no information was suppressed in order to assist bidens campaign.

    It's only the right that would do stuff like that isn't it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You and the plenty more on here have spent years creating and contributing to threads specifically aimed at denigrating any left wing ideal or philosophie that can be identified as being left.

    And the moment there is a thread shining a light on the impact of right wing ideals, all of a sudden you are all concerned about labels being applied. I'm not buying it.

    When I start to see the same energy in this respect on these other threads I'll maybe consider changing my language but then again, as long as politicians who are severely impacting our societies are comfortable using labels, they, or you, can't complain when others do similar.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Neither did I. That fact check was carried out in response to the events you posted about.

    Do you think all diplomatic efforts to affect policy in any given country can be categorized as blackmailing?

    (Still waiting for an answer to the question)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Sorry pal but I've always maintained that far left and far right ideologies are two cheeks of the same arse.

    You seem to be of the opinion that only far right ideology is dangerous when far left ideology has killed even more people in the last century.

    The reason we've met in this site over the years is because the narrative you're pushing gets more traction. I'm not right wing by a long shot but it doesn't mean I have to keep my mouth shut about the stupidity of left wing beliefs.

    It's interesting that you chose not to comment further on the "ideals of communism" you mentioned previously when you were taking me to task on that issue.

    This is your problem, you make out that you're an authority on topics you know nothing about and here you are blaming all the world's ills on the "far right", well I'm sorry but that's pure BS, if things were that simple it would be fantastic but they aren't and you pushing that narrative is irresponsible.

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    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    From the OP.

    Over the last 5-10 years, we've seen a growing conversation, including to a very significant level on here, suggesting that the things to be concerned about in the world have been liberal initiatives such as advocating for the climate, considering women's experience in society, multiculturalism, conversations about identity and so on. These have all been lumped together as 'woke/progressive/liberal/leftist/socialist/communist' agendas' that must be stopped or at least we should be wary of.


    And yet, none of the significant life events that we are experiencing and suffering through are the cause of these topics that have fueled huge amounts of conversation as being something we need to be guarded against. And I don't think this is an accident.

    If you want to have a discussion about political ideologies throughout the entirety of history or on the ideals of communism, feel free to start a thread on it.

    I wanted to comment on the times we are living in because they are the times we are living in and you know, that's why they affect us.

    (had to laugh at the 'what I'm pushing gets more traction' when it is the first thread on here versus tens of threads pushing narratives that anything progressive is a problem).



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    More waffle.

    You specifically mentioned post WW2 era Russia as not representing the "ideals of communism" so you can't start saying you're only talking about recent history and that's before we discuss the fact that these very issues have been given as the cause of all problems in the world for the last 5-10 years anyway.

    You're selling a explanation of the world's troubles that just isn't based in anything resembling reality and when you're called out on your lack of historical insight you start moving the goalposts immediately. Sorry but you're not getting off the hook on this, you demand evidence and provide none of your own (except partisan crap you agree with) others have outlined your behavior already on this thread and true to form you're engaged in it yet again.

    Glazers Out!



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    Your fact check says that it wasn't true that Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to assist his son, Hunter Biden.

    That's bringing up his son.

    No. I don't think ALL diplomatic efforts are blackmailing. I do think bidens recounting of this particular incident does sound suspiciously like it though.

    I think bidens dealings with the Ukraine are incredibly suspect. Not only the ones involving the blatant nepotism and irregular dealings with his junkie son.

    Which one of your questions are you "waiting for an answer to"? And while you're at it, maybe answer if you feel that the left wing media acted dishonestly in the handling of the hunter Biden laptop story in order to help bidens election campaign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭MarkEadie


    Oh I was operating under the assumption that women were genuine and honest when they were talking about their life experiences and telling us men how things are.

    I didn't realize you were not taking that as a given and your entire post was based on the premise that women were not genuine when they were doing that.



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    Believing people to be genuine and honest purely because of their sex is naïve at best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,950 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Glazers Out!



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    Another layer of irony would be the fact that usually people who think like that would also struggle to agree that a woman needs to be biologically female.



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    That's your inference. The poster didn't say that. You know, as well as I do that the volume of stories from women of all ages, all different backgrounds, all different walks of life suggest that they have a common experience.

    Should the poster have named every individual who commented on their experience and identified every person they felt mistreated them by name also or to you does the use of women and men imply they are saying that absolutely everyone, to the same degree has had the same experience?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,627 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The question I asked in the first post you responded to today.

    'Anyone have any idea what it is Republicans want Biden to do?'

    Do I think the left wing media (so we're back to using labels again, good to know) acted dishonestly with respect to Hunter Biden's laptop? No. Hunter wasn't running for President of the USA and conversations about his laptop were vastly blown out of proportion in my view and moreso given the obvious mess that was made of the 'chain of evidence' with respect to the hardware in the story.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The poster said:

    "Oh I was operating under the assumption that women were genuine and honest when they were talking about their life experiences and telling us men how things are".

    My reply was an entirely appropriate response to the quoted statement.

    No inference



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