Ukraine (Mod Note & Threadbanned Users in OP)

Ah right - no problem -im really sorry i bothered you, i know its a busy time for you (un)intelligence Guru's

Not even the semblance of good faith - ridiculous tbh

Nitpick: It appears English is NOT your native language.

The correct/usual phraseology is:

"When all is said and done..."

Further nitpick: Military commentators in the West are expressing opinions that Ukraine may be able to fight Russian forces to a standstill and that Russia cannot now win the criminal war they unleashed.

Therefore, Putin will NOT achieve his war aims, but will only succeed in further impoverishment of most Russian people, as economic sanctions cripple the Russian economy.

Already, we read that around 2700 Russians were made redundant in one fell swoop by Accenture when they closed down operations in Russia.

This bleed out of the Russian economy will continue and get worse as long as sanctions last.

Predictably enough Putin seems to be doubling down in his efforts. The rally saying he will prevail and the recent use of hypersonic missiles. What next thermobaric or tactical nukes? The West needs to prepare an adequate response as Putin won't back off unless he sees a certain absolute red line being set.

The expectation among analysts is that he appears to be planning for a long war of attrition in Ukraine. Goodness knows what his actual end game is at this point and what he would deem a 'victory' to be.

Pride and vanity are destroyed in reality - of course one dare not say it to him

(unless one has a gun aimed at the back of his neck)

When i hear Putin's bluster though - i do think it could be an example of MadMan theory

I have noted its been mentioned in relation to this situation

Masterclass in WHATABOUTERY on display from Jamie Bwyson Bryson - Yes - he ACTUALLY COMPARED the UKRAINIAN-RUSSIAN WAR - to the northern ireland protocol......

Whataboutist's should take note and learn

I think its more likely the lack of attention being payed to his .. 'cause'. Im a political anorak for sure. I tend to watch current affairs and politics TV shows a lot, along with reading of course. And the NI Protocol was a big story - or should i say, the over hyped nonsensical claims of Jamie et al, was a big story. That and the meanderings of the DUP and Jim Allister versus the UUP - etc etc - you could guarantee at least one noteworthy screaming match a week, and more some times

FAST FORWARD: Sovereign Democratic State invaded by Russia - World engulfed in crisis. Possible sinister implications for everyone.

Jamie - suddenly no one is listening - and he decides to try and champion a 'comparison' - without even acknowledging how the Ukraine is fighting FOR THE RIGHT to join the EU

ugh

I just read it there. Had listened to a few interviews with Putin alteady and his mad essay on Ukraine and Russia's shared history as well as John Mearshimers analysis from 2015.

Noam Chompskey flagged the whole Ukraine situation years ago and outlined many of the same arguments, from Russia's perspective, as Putin outlines in the speech you shared.

Basically, as Putin sees it, first they (The West) came for Saddam, then Gaddafi, then Assad. He is probably thinking, not unreasonably, that he doesn't fancy being hung (as per Saddam) or pistol whipped, raped with a bayonet, beaten and shot in the head (as per Gadhaffi).

It seems to me that US and Nato have been playing the long game in relation to Putin. Muted and toothless reactions to Georgian invasion, intervention in Syria, annexation of Crimea, shooting down of passenger plane, Salisbury poisonings and support of Donbas rebels...maybe drawing Putin into Ukraine on purpose in the hopes that the ensuing carnage, sanctions and hardship would encourage ordinary Russians to rise up and overthrow him....if so, Ukraine is being used as a sacrificial lamb and, if things do not go to plan, we could be facing a nuclear winter...

Every country may very well have a right to sovereignty and self-determination, however, the survival of the planet surely trumps those rights hands down?

Would it not have been better for US and NATO to have negotiated a deal on Ukraine with Russia back in 2014? Even if that meant Ukraine being neutral, losing Donbas and Crimea but being under the protection of The UN or some other international alliance to ensure Russia never invades again...

I dunno, just seems like a bad idea to back a lad like Putin into a corner when he could destroy the entire world, especially if he has nothing left to lose.....

Or, the more likely explanation... the West was hoping Russia would just play along and enjoy the riches it was getting from Germany etc for resources - spend it in the south of France and London. Didn't want to rock the boat.

But nope. Putin had to go full 1930s on it.

Russia? Backed into a corner? One of the largest countries in the worlds with an arsenal of WMDs? Really?

Yeah it'd be great if Russia and Ukraine could sign an agreement where Ukraine agrees not to have nuclear weapons and Russia agrees to respect it's territory (including Crimea). Oh wait, they already had that and violate d it multiple times...

Based on this justification, the West should have neutralized Kalingrad by now.

NATO is a red herring here. If this was only issue, it could have been addressed at a summit. Ukraine in NATO for purposes of protection but not as a platform for offensive weapons. Kalingrad could have similar status...

This all started when the last Russian stooge was run out of office in Ukraine - not for a NATO vote, but for trying to block a trade deal with the EU. It is about whether Russia has the right to treat as a colony and pillage it at will, and determine its future. Or whether Ukraine is a country free to determine its own fate including joining the EU.

But all this has been explained on the thread multiple times and still Russian propaganda cues get repeated...

The Ukranian parliament overwhelmingly backed a trade deal with EU. It was the Russian stooge who tried to defy the will of the Ukranian people as expressed through parliament.

This is not a coup. This is what democracy looks like, despite the lies spread by those who never met a Russian propaganda lie that don't repost.

Ah here the trolls and "whatabouterists" have arrived again.

Check - youtube link dump

Check - but I'm not a Russian sympathiser

Check - references nazis in Ukraine but shows zero interest in the Russian nazis Wagner group

You're wasting your time here. We can spot a mouthpiece for Russian propaganda when we see one. Maybe go back whoever is feeding you this crap and get some better instructions because when Russian forces daily commit war crimes and you come along here to defend them, well, it puts all your other posts into an interesting light. Let me guess, never found an alternative narrative they didn't accept without question.

The Ukranian people have demonstrated in their democratic choices - choices not allowed in Russia or their colonies like Belarus - that they want to align with the EU.

Not a single post on this thread has been able to challenge this - so they resort to Russian lies and conspiracy theories and nonsense about coups.

I am sick of reading and addressing blatantly obvious Russian bullsh** propaganda.