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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭markpb


    Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaGVoB4Zn-Y

    It seems to be possible but Tesla (and possibly others) specifically recommended not doing it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah there was an EV back in the noughties that had a trailer with a petrol generator for long trips. No idea what it was called

    The idea is technically feasible, it's called a range extended EV. The BMW i3 Rex is probably the best known example, it has a 25kW motorbike engine which could top up the battery


    If you're asking could it be added to an EV as an aftermarket product, not really. The first problem is connecting it to the car's electrical system. You generator will need to output 400-800V DC depending on the car at currents of up to 500A. Electrical regs don't really like using plugs at those levels so you'd be looking at something that needs to be wired in permanently.

    Your generator will need to be a fairly powerful one as well, taking the ice example you'd want around 25kW to keep the battery topped up, which kind of rules out your shop bought generator. On top of this you've the problem that most generators are AC, you'll need to convert this to DC for the car which adds expense and losses


    A much simpler solution would be to have a generator with a built in EV charger. You could park the car and plug in wherever you want, several examples have already been demonstrated for temporary charging in remote locations

    Of course you still have to wait for the car to charge, so beyond availability there's not much advantage. And unless you've a really powerful generator, you'll be charging slowly, so you'd be faster going to a public charger even if there's a queue

    FWIW, I actually think range extenders are a really good idea for vehicles that need to operate outside the normal charging network. Off road or emergency vehicles etc. Even heavy trucking to areas with a poor charging network. They get all the benefits of an EV but have the option of switching to the fossil backup if needed


    But for Joe Public heading down to Spanish point for the weekend with the family, it's much easier to just pull into the first public charger and grab a coffee and bathroom break while you charge

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭innrain


    I think the OP refers to EV towing a diesel generator. I know it it just theoretical but I think it will struggle. A short Google found me this

    1.7t towing is a bit over many EVs and even if it does tow it the energy used would be greater than the one generated. Towing this would require over 30kW at 120km/h.

    However, range extenders were present in the evolution of the cars but then never took off properly. Most notable is the BMW i3 Rex. Technically is the most efficient way of using an engine in a car, but...



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,399 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I made a battery with about 0.5kWh capacity and had a pure sinewave inverter connected to it, combined with the granny charger you could use it as an emergency "petrol can" if you got stuck with a dead car and you needed just a few km to get to a charger


    Nowadays you can buy these as all in one systems, I think the Bluetti are popular. Would make a nice Christmas gift to the new EV owner who still suffers a bit from range anxiety 😁


    Dead easy to have too around the gaff in case you have a mains power outage. I once powered my airfryer from my eBike's battery 😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    They're handy things but they seriously need to get a bit cheaper. Last time I looked they were close on a grand. Seems like a lot for a bit of backup power


    I think the best solution to range anxiety is to drive a Leaf24 for a while. I've seen 7km on the GOM when I was 5km from home and only then decided not to detour for a coffee 🤣

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  • Registered Users Posts: 65,399 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Inverter about €100 for a goodun. Battery, I combined 4 hoover board batteries (7S2P) with built in BMS, they cost about €25 each. So €200 or so in all ;-)


    Agree on the Leaf. Have a Fluence (basically the same car, except it can't fast charge at all but at least it's not fug ugly) and in winter the GOM shows about 57km when fully charged. I still drive it everywhere. I like that motor. Very comfy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Seen a few Teslas over the weekend, paint finish looks poor on them, white especially bad, is this purposely done



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭innrain


    Maybe not necessarily EV related. I've stayed one night in Kilkenny right in the center. In the morning the car was covered in a mist of ash. Of course as soon as I started driving rain came down and now the car has a polka dots design all over it. I just wondering is this a normal occurrence? Not worried about the car I'll wash it but we breathe this stuff. Where we live, there are about 5 constructions sites and I'm used to see grime building up but not that fast.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,539 ✭✭✭eagerv


    Yes just a dirty rain shower, I live not too far south of your pics. White car does not really show, but black roof looks terrible..



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭cannco253




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭cannco253


    BP to unveil £1bn boost for UK’s electric car charging points 

    Pulse superfast network to be expanded in long-awaited infrastructure strategy

    “The overall number of chargers needed depends heavily on whether motorists without driveways opt for on-street charging or use charge points at existing fuel stations or in shopping centres to top up, according to two people familiar with the contents.

    BP estimates that one superfast charger, which is able to give dozens of miles of range within minutes, will do the work of about 60 overnight chargers located on residential streets.”


    First time I’ve seen a comparison like that



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Would having to rely mainly on fast charging lead to faster degradation of the battery?



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,399 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    No. Not materially. Not so much that your battery would degrade like mad. Think if you never fast charged, your battery would have about 90% capacity after about 8-10 years. If you always only fast charged, it would be more like 80%. In several countries (like the Netherlands), the majority of new EV buyers do not have home charging.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    There's rakes of early Model S folk in the US that have done nothing but DC charge since Day 1 (well note Day 1 as no SuC existed) and still do to this day. It's why Tesla target the Model S 85 club to get them free SuC folk throttled

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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,989 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Only in badly made/designed EVs. Like the leaf. Others with active cooling would be fine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,729 ✭✭✭zg3409


    And if you do the sums, say one 50+kW charger at Tesco, versus 60 AC pillars next to say terrace houses with no driveway, the one larger charger may end up cheaper and users could fill up for 30 minutes during weekly shop, once a week. The 60 users would be 8/9 cars per day at Tesco, based on once a week visit. However if I lived in a house with no home charger I would prefer street chargers for practical reasons. From a providers point of view DC makes more sense than AC. From a drivers point of view charging on street overnight makes owning an EV easier and may be cheaper to fill too.

    Supermarkets make more sense for local 30 minute top ups than petrol stations due to parking spaces needed.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,970 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    I tend to find that our streets without off street parking aren't particular well endowed with pavement space to make on street charging sensible. It's fine in the newer estates which tend towards townhouses, but I don't think you could seriously roll out on street charging in an area like Marino.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    8/9 cars wouldn't be viable,I'm assuming a big charger with multiple cables is a thing?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    On a related note a spotted someone charging their car with the cable running across the pavement until one of those temporary channel things. There's a few folks ready to chance it, or don't know


    Not going to give any clues as to who it might be as I don't want to get anyone in trouble with the authorities, but I'm interested to see if they keep doing it or get told to stop


    Saw another house that has cut a channel into the pavement and buried a cable going to a camping socket just sticking out of the kerb. I doubt the council got a planning application for that one 😂

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,602 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Once the homeowner has a claim put in against them for someone tripping outside their house, they won't be long removing any cabling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Tbh if you tripped over this thing you probably shouldn't be allowed outside. I know they're against the law and the arguments make sense, but there needs to be a bit of facing up to reality from the planners to try and enable people to charge at home without a driveway

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,379 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I saw an article a while back about an AC charger pole that was literally just a pole with 2 small sockets in the sides, it would be very neat and would take up hardly any room. You could put one between 2 spaces on a small kerb sticking into the road slightly and avoid narrowing the pavement

    On the complete opposite end of the scale, I remember some AC chargers got installed in London a while back that were similar size to a payphone and right in the middle of the pavement, probably 50cm to the kerb and 50cm to the wall so no wheelchairs or buggys could get past. And they were all posed around in the photo saying how great it was, whoever did that job needs to be shown the door

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,602 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Accept that, but most court's aren't going to look favourably on someone installing a trip hazard outside their house illegally.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,024 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Stupid court cases, whatever happened to you fall, you get up and move on

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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,602 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Believe me, I wish we lived in a world like that.

    But bottom line is , you were tripped and possibly injured by someone putting a hazard in your way, illegally. The worst solicitor in the world would get you a pay out in that case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 65,399 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    In Ireland and the USA with the suing culture, sure. There are 10 times as many lawyers as taxi drivers over there 😫 In most other countries you wouldn't have a hope of getting a cent. Or at at least not a cent over actual cost you made because of an accident. Not like that lady who sat down in a restaurant in Dublin recently and banged her knee off a table leg while sitting down, she got a slight bruise. And 30 grand.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,306 ✭✭✭markpb


    Ireland’s compensation culture has nothing to do with this. It’s not your footpath, the cable might be hard to see, it might cause someone to trip and hurt themselves. Just don’t do it.

    If you buy an EV and don’t have a driveway, don’t be a d**k, tin don’t make it someone else’s problem - find somewhere legal to charge until the LAs get the finger out and sort out on-street charging.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭wassie


    UK Govt has recognised the shortage of charging infrastructure in UK with a couple of good measures:

    • "convenient, affordable and reliable charging for all as government commits £1.6 billion to expand UK charging network – with around 300,000 public chargers expected to be available by 2030"
    • "key barriers to EV driving removed with chargepoint operators legally required to meet rigorous standards, enabling drivers to pay easily and find nearby chargers"

    Further detail on the seocnd point:

    "The government is mandating that operators provide real-time data about chargepoints. It is ensuring that consumers can compare prices and seamlessly pay for their charging using contactless cards. They will also be able to use apps to find their nearest available chargepoint."

    "These plans will also require a 99% reliability rate at rapid chargepoints to ensure they are world-class and give consumers confidence in finding chargepoints that work wherever they travel – helping eradicate so-called ‘range anxiety’."


    Lets hope our Govt can follow the UKs lead here.....



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