30k speed limits for all urban areas on the way

Fascinating how you can say with absolute certainty that it happened numerous times, but can't give any specific example.

So like I said, it didn't actually happen.

Whatevs....dude!

So, anyway, as I said a few pages back, I think variable speed limits should be made for urban areas as well as what will eventually, happen to motorways. Not as fast, of course!

How do you know it didn’t happen?

Nagging someone incessantly is not adult anything.

He can't back it up. Move on.

I’ll answer it again. Because he can’t give any details.

How do you know that the Pope didn’t announce that he was leaving the Church to marry his favourite archbishop?

It's a little disingenuous to compare a crime that has a victim, to a "crime" that is usually victimless, i.e. exceeding speed limits. The difference should be obvious.

There's a difference between "he can't prove it" and "it didn't happen". One is unsubstantiated, the other is asserting a negative.

Emphasis on the word "can" ... in reality more like "almost never." In total, according to the most recent estimates, there are only 3.1 fatalities per billion vehicle kilometres drive in Ireland. So, even if every single fatal collision was solely caused by excessive speed (which we know they are now), it would still take 322,580,645 vehicle kilometers before a a fatality is caused.

Now, this is not to suggest that drivers can or should take the piss, but the data are clear in both absolute and relative terms that road safety isn't really a major problem in this country, and the vast majority of drivers aren't a problem for anyone. There is zero road safety case to carpet bomb the country with 30kph speed limits. No case whatsoever.

Of course ... if there is another agenda ... then the drive for widespread 30kph limits makes more sense.

If I had to guess I'd say that driver had stolen the car and was joyriding.

Even if that's not the case, how does it reflect on 2.5 million people? Because when last the RSA published driver licensing statistics, there were 2,563,758 full Category B licenseholders on Irish roads.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200924141228/https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Licence_stats/Full%20Licences%20Current%20on%2031st%20December%202016_%20by%20Licence%20Category%20County.pdf

So how many of those are you falsely accusing of being bad drivers on the basis of the above anecdote? Because the data couldn't be clearer. Irish drivers are generally good, as evidenced by road safety data in both relative and absolute terms. And when you have insane demands for nonsense like carpet bombing the country with 30kph speed limits, we are entitled to ask "is this measure proportionate in this country?"

Well, that’s all right then. If the joyriders in the stolen car hits or kills someone, we’ll be greatly reassured.

Evidence of dangerous, incompetent driving is such a rarity. The should obviously have more hivis on.

Some (predictably) comical examples being posted in here - a van got stuck under a low bridge, hence millions of drivers should be needlessly inconvenienced every day. Jesus wept.

Once again this has never been about safety, it’s about cyclists wanting to be faster than cars (whilst simultaneously irritating motorists). They will deny it and deny it but that’s the prime reason. It’s why the main proponents of this are pretty much always heavily into cycling, it’s not a coincidence.

As SeanW notes above, the safety data simply does not provide a compelling enough reason to warrant such a heavy handed measure.

That doesn't make any sense. Cyclists aren't slowed by cars or traffic.

Its is more pleasant and safer to cycle (or walk) on roads that aren't congested with traffic. Neither side can make the case for Irish statistic's since we are very bad at collecting meaningful statistics in Ireland. But there is data from other countries. Physics doesn't work differently in Ireland to anywhere else. TBH other countries have done all this stuff. We don't need to re-invent the wheel.

Why don’t you go for a nice long cycle? Preferably down the wrong side of a motorway

Ok.

And what has this got to do with a 30km urban speed limit again?

Are people obeying the 50kp/h limits losing control and ending up mowing people down on foot paths theses days?

It has everything to do with Seanie’s position of drivers being a great bunch of lads.

"Overly Congested". Congestion doesn't effect cyclists like that. You're thinking from the perspective of a driver.

Average speed of UK cyclist is around 25kph. Google has it set about 16kph or so. Cyclists speed is mostly constrained by their ability to stop safely and not die.

30kph has no effect on cyclists other than safety. It changes driver behavior not cyclists.

Your username is poorly chosen btw.

You're thinking about this backwards. If you prevent people from doing things they will create demand for alternative choices.

Look at all these places who didn't allow wfh until they had to.

You don't drive in isolation. You're limited by other traffic. It's not what moves you faster. It's what moves everyone more efficiently.

An 18MPH (30kps) speed limit was introduced along the full length of the main road in the Phoenix Park between Castleknock and the Quays. At the same time they have also installed those big spikes in the ground to "protect" cyclists at the same time.

I drove through the park the other night. It's now much much more dangerous. it's scary.

You're now trying to avoid the spikes, traffic coming towards you(also pushed out into the middle of the road by the spikes) and keep your eye on the speedo to make sure your not exceeding the ridicilous speed limit. All the while you're also trying to keep an eye out for deer who are well known for charging across the road in front of you in the dark.

Dedicated cycle paths down parallel to the along the main road about 5meters in from the main road a few years ago. Why don't they force the cyclists to use these cycle pats that was provided for them for their safety, instead of making the park much more dangerous place for everyone else.

The lunatics are well and truly running the asylum.

I've voted Green party every election up to this. I'll be very surprised if they're not wiped out totally in the next election, and they'll have completely brought it on themselves.

Another one that seriously needs to re think their driving if maintaining speed at a given speed limit is too difficult.

I can understand all sorts of arguments for not wanting the lower speed limit or the wands up the cycle lanes (I personally dislike them as both driver and cyclist) but the argument that "it is too difficult to keep an eye on your speed at 30kmph" just doesn't wash. If you struggle its time to consider alternative modes of transport. Maybe try cycling - the 30kmph limit doesn't apply so one less thing to worry about!