Russia - threadbanned users in OP

They're using the conspiracy theory method on their own population.

Once you believe one lie it becomes easier to believe the rest, eventually. I doubt there's any semblance of reality in these "polls" but they are fed to the populace to give the impression that these are popular ideas. Those who have bought into the initial lie of the "special operation" then any others that follow will be believed if repeated enough.

Russians will be looking around with suspicion for who actually supports this and others will be actively looking to see who's against it. They'll pit their own population against itself to justify it's needs. There's nothing new here, Putin's rhetoric about weeding out those who don't support it ring true with this type of propaganda. Those who want to believe the lies will soon be calling the police about their neighbours who are subversive or whatever.

How they are ahead exactly? All help Ukrainians in Poland are getting comes from normal people, Polish and foreign volunteers paying for everything themselves. Also from a big group of Ukrainian workers already in Poland.

What did they do exactly?

Ah, they wanted to give MiGs but bad Americans didn't agree (BTW it was to be at their cost, they would have to supply F-16 to Poland and take all the blame for sending MiGs).

Ah, we wanted peaceful mission but bad NATO and EU didn't agree.

I am really surprised that some people are buying it. Words costs nothing. Even there are polish citizens blocking trucks at Belarus border. Government has no will to stop them.

So give me one example what did they do? They even tried to add (in legislation concerning help for Ukraine) a point releasing them from responsibility of any wrongdoing earlier. And believe me they screw our nation a lot!

There is also a reply in this thread showing videos of people being punished by being bound to street posts and whipped/hit.

I won't link it here.

One side is saying they're looters of vacant houses.

The other side is saying it's the Nazis doing what Nazis do to people.

You are trying to divert from the fact It's their threat assessment that is important. Two nations bordering Russia believe Putin is bluffing about using nuclear weapons, A former Russian foreign minister believes Putin is bluffing - and not only that, but believes not taking action now is likely to lead to WW3, not prevent it - the very thing you think can't be risked no matter what the calibre of those assessing the threat. Gary Kasparov believes Putin is bluffing, and General Wes Clark, former commander of NATO believes Putin is bluffing.

We got to this point because Putin has tested the world's tollerance for intervention and it's responses multiple times and found them so high, and them so weak, he might well be lead to believe that there is literally no red line, if he wins - even attacking a NATO country - so he can do anything and there will not be a meaningful response because the world's fear of his big stick is like yours, totally paralysing.

This is likely what Clark, Kasparov and Kozyrez are vehemently warning that Putin must not be allowed to win. They understand that this will likely lead him to believe he can literally consume any Baltic or Balkan state he likes, NATO or not, and that NATO will balk and not respond out of fear of starting WW3.

These people understand that though Putin miscalculated Ukraine's strength and the level of sanctions, a win would confirm his core notion that the west's fear of his nukes is total and the west might as well not have theirs as they would never use them. He's proven he can miscalculate badly so they realise that inaction will likely lead him to make a far more dangerous miscalculation that does lead to WW3.

Cowardice will not prevent WW3, it will cause it.

“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”

― Albert Einstein

And I am not using any Kremlin language. I am using normal language to describe, who they are. Now trying to pretend they are someone else...

They are at least Team players and don't endanger the situation with their reckless actions....

I wouldn't disagree with NATO or a joint EU force going into Ukraine on the basis of civilians being shot, but they're probably not going to. However, if the Russians decide to start using sarin gas or some other toxic agent, I think public pressure for western militaries to act decisively may become too much to bear.

The above gives us an idea of what a chemical attack entails. Do not read if of a sensitive nature.

Similar to Irish/English close ties etc? Or the fact that English people currently live in a free society where they could educate themselves?

Again you're giving humanity too much credit. Countries write their own history and we, the sheepish masses tend to swallow it whole and move on.

That's even more the case in a highly sensored, authoritarian state like Russia. So I won't be holding my breath for the average Russian to realise they're the bad guys.

And IMO so they should be winning the propaganda war, they are the ones who have been invaded for no justification at all, and are seeing the horror of their homes, hospitals, ect being bombed out of it, killing countless civilians.

But my worry is that this is going to take its toll on the population of Ukraine, maybe within the military or civilains. And their will be some who will only want revenge for whats happening, unfortunately it may lead to revenge atrocities committed from the Ukraine side.

Anything that does happen will be played down by the Ukrainian side but more than likely be used by the Russians as proof for why they needed to invade in the first place. (Which of course would be ludicrous, but I think its what we may see as things pan out)

The Russians have already lost the propaganda war. There is virtually nothing the Ukrainians could do to make public opinion switch to "there are two sides to this argument" or "they are nearly as bad as the Russians". They were a neutral and peaceful country and violently attacked and invaded by a country that is three times bigger.

Russian soldiers opened fire on protesters in Kherson

We're already into a Bloody Sunday type scenario then and a blatant war crime. This will go down very badly in all the western countries.....opening fire on innocent civilians is a big 'no no'.

He said they could, not should, and he's right.