PPS number waiting times

Based on the departments own Twitter page it would seem there's still delays , might be worth exploring getting the Mrs to post an update request on the DEASP twitter feed, they seem to respond quickly .

I'm not sure how the department is able to expedite issuing PPS numbers at point of entry for the Ukrainian Refugees (Rightly so incidently) and yet others on work permits for example waiting up to 2 months .

Recently took my sister in law two months to get one.

Unfortunately not , you can not be legally employed without a PPS number in Ireland.

Whilst I'm sure there are cash paying Jobs and you do have a working holiday visa , perhaps an employer might consider employing you and hold off paying you officially until such time as you receive a PPS number but its risky and I can't recommend or advise you to consider this approach.

The process of getting a PPS number has been shockingly slow. I'd strongly advise you pester (Politely) the DEASP on their Twitter feed , they seem to react quickly through social media channels.

People in my company working while waiting on a PPS number. They are getting paid each week but just getting emergency taxed. So loosing close to half their wages each week. I have had some waiting on one since before christmas and still not received it

The whole situation seems to be Catch-22 land. You can't get a job without a PPSN. You can't apply for a PPSN unless you have a job. Looking for work isn't reason enough for them to issue a PPSN, you must actually have a job. But you can't have a job without a PPSN... https://relocatingtoireland.com/working-in-ireland/irish-pps-number/

Given all that - and I Am Not A Lawyer disclaimers - I'd say go ahead as you are, give people jobs and apply emergency tax, remit that to Revenue, and you'd be in no danger of being prosecuted cos it'd make Revenue/Social Welfare look like right eejits!

Honestly, I don't know of any rule change but perhaps I'm mistaken, it is very much a catch 22 scenario whilst technically a person with a valid work permit can work, the issue is getting paid and that pay being correctly recorded from a taxation point of view.

I've a neighbour (farmer) who's brought in 3 Brazilian nationals to help on the farm. They are here legally have all their paperwork and are waiting almost 2 months for a PPS number.

I guess my point is, without a PPS number it's near impossible for an employer to employ someone, perhaps I was incorrect in the use of "Legally" but certainly not straightforward to employ a person without one.

Ah ok, then I would say it results in emergency tax and hassle not that it prevents employment.

Payroll processing software includes the possibility of paying people without a PPSN, so is set up to do the calculations for the employer. Under PAYE Mod, systems should automatically retain and link the employment ID pre and post PPS to make the transition fairly seamless. If someone is operating a manual payroll via ROS (which are rather rare these days) then it might be a bit of a challenge but not otherwise.

Most employers who have seen proof if EEA Citizenship, or work permit, etc. and who have vetted your CV and references won't have any issues. I believe the onus on employers is to ensure the right to work, a PPSN cannot be requested before an organisation agrees to employ someone, nor can it be accepted as proof of right to work.

I imagine if someone was refused they will likely leave Ireland due to the inability to be taxed fairly and the employer will have to replace them, but for the right employee or someone only needed short term it is a small risk. All the issues of tax remain between the employee and revenue, with no exposure for the employer as long as they apply emergency basis.

To file a wage on Revenue's system without a PPS number you will need the employee's full address and date of birth.

Thank you all for the advice. This whole system is messed up.

All the ways of applying for a PPS are catch 22’s (so it would seem). You can apply for a PPS if you need to apply for welfare, but you need a letter from welfare stating you need it. You can apply for one for to access medical services, but you need a GP to accept you into their practice and to write a letter saying you need a PPS. You can also apply for one if you are applying for a drivers licence, but you need to upload your NDLS application. Can’t even get to that application the online route (MyGovID) without a PPS.

How on earth do you apply for a PPS as a newcomer looking for work? You upload a PDF copy of the drivers licence application, which you need to Google to find, and leave the PPS number blank…… it took me 6 emails, 3 phone calls (answered) and 5 (unanswered) (plus lots of tears) to figure out that all I need to do is put my name and address on a form and upload it to MyGovID. They will never know if I really do submit it to get my Canadian license exchanged….

I absolutely don't begrudge this move but it really does raise serious questions on not just this matter but on other long running failures of the state and let be honest this and previous government's.