Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

The same as saying that Thomas came 8th in the last race, so clearly doesn't have physical advantages, but fails to consider that distance racing is Thomas' specialty, not sprints.

I dunno that it’s as simple as that either tbh. On paper at least, Thomas’ PB in the 100m still wasn’t as fast as the winner, Gretchen Walsh, who finished in a time of 46:05. Thomas’ best time was 47:37, but they completed the 100m event in 48:18.

I don’t think distance racing is their specialty either tbh, because they’re well outside of Katie Ledecky’s record over the same 1650m distance of 15:03:92. Thomas’ best time over 1650m is 15:59:71. If you’ll pardon the pun - they’re not even at the races over what you consider is their specialty; they’re ranked 11th.

Ledecky on the other hand, is something of a phenomenon, and her time in the 1,650m freestyle event could be enough to qualify her to race in the men’s event. The record in the men’s event is 14:22:41. It’s just impossible to do any sort of a real calculation because there are so many factors involved, not the least of which is the opportunities to participate in any sport in the first place, let alone get to the level where a person is good enough to compete in local, national and international competition, let alone being given the opportunity to ascend to the level of elite status in their chosen sport.

Sources:

https://sports.yahoo.com/transgender-swimmer-makes-final-bid-182804467.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmllLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA3UyYDmY7MWBHvdJWblixCnsEt8AMkKfX51cghPbHAshHstkNUsYUcoNCO5WNlBnvSee3zl_D9-U39hGqlcSf2qBydhH79bYjlco3YFUSo-KF4xoHRTtDKnztWp6TXwqh-oZ7i-PkcU1R_fOmdvzbmTf5NtnCXlaIWULd2PwNuE

https://swimswam.com/penns-lia-thomas-opts-for-100-free-over-1650-free-for-ncaa-championships/

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/18100726/katie-ledecky-shatters-1650-freestyle-ncaa-record-20-seconds-sunday

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-swimming-flashback-the-greatest-college-distance-race-ever/

It has a lot to do too with the idea of women participating in what are traditionally competitions reserved for men, and the idea of women taking some men’s places in competition, similar to the way in which an athlete who placed 17th in the qualifying stages claims that Lia Thomas is responsible for taking her position.

Undoubtedly there will be some people who would not be at all pleased to see women competing with men in competitions which were traditionally only open to men, and would not be shy in making sure the athletes in question were aware that it was because of them that men are losing out, similar to the way there are some people who make complaints about women in the workplace and their taking of positions from men in arenas which were traditionally male dominated roles.

They don’t want to see women in roles which were traditionally the preserve of men, and they don’t want to see people who are transgender in any role, because that would violate their ideas of societal norms.

Allusions to science and biology are only a smokescreen for their nonsense, while arguing that their rights are being violated by other groups in society being recognised as entitled to equal protection and status in law and equal participation in society to influence legislation which applies to everyone in society.

well now, that's an awful lot different to

Transgender women may not currently play women's rugby

Why? Because of the size, force- and power-producing advantages conferred by testosterone during puberty and adolescence, and the resultant player welfare risks this creates

• Significantly greater strength (between 50% and 60% percent by adulthood, with relatively greater upper body strength)
• Significant speed advantages (between 10% and 15% over various durations)
• Greater capacity to produce force/power (advantages  of between 30% and 40% in explosive movement capabilities)
• Strength-to-weight and power-to­ weight advantages (even after adjusting for mass, height and similar level of performance (elite, untrained etc), males have a 30-40% strength advantage)

Transgender men may play men's rugby having provided confirmation of physical ability.

Transgender men need to provide confirmation of physical ability to ensure that they are not putting themselves at an unacceptable level of risk when playing against men.

• Allowing transgender men to play men's rugby does not increase the risk of injury to teammates or opposition players
• Transgender men must confirm they understand any increased risk to themselves

Thats an incredibly idiotic statement. You either know nothing about sport or human anatomy but that's just ridiculous statement

There will be a few 90kg women playing next week, if you think they could compete against a 115kg kg man in rugby and not get seriously injured you're simply not at the races at all

A 90kg man and a 90kg woman, at an elite level sport that requires strength and speed are simply not the same. You simply have no argument there

It's still a keyboard or are you comfortable with differentiating between on screen and off screen?

As I said before there is no need. Mens competition should be changed to open entry. All inclusive, arguments about discrimination would be over for good. Womens events would be changed to biological females.

Same with all other proposals. Not perfect but as close as possible.

Whatever happens it looks like those days are over. I cannot see separate trans events being accepted.

those are your words, just from today

I think what @[Deleted User] means is separate categories based upon sex, without any regard to gender, as opposed to organising entirely separate governing bodies and competitions and awards exclusively for people who are transgender who wish to participate in sports.

It’s not that the events wouldn’t be accepted, it’s that even though they are established and have been for decades now, not all people who are transgender want the same thing, or will be satisfied with being excluded from participation in sports in accordance with their gender, same thing as not all people who aren’t transgender want the same thing. There isn’t just support for the idea coming from people who are transgender, it’s coming from people who want to lead social change in sports -

https://www.unlv.edu/news/release/more-games-olympics-and-global-spotlight-societal-issues

That’s just the Olympics, albeit the most well-known organisation among thousands of sports organisations and federations around the world. It’s undeniable that at every level in sports there is politics involved, and at a global level the politics involved are much more than just whether or not it is possible to maintain discrimination in sports based upon gender.

No doubt there will be people involved at every level in sports who will make every effort to ensure that they can still discriminate against people on the basis of their gender even though international and domestic laws in the countries in which they operate mandates otherwise.

I quoted World Rugby, who govern mens, womens and under 20's rugby union national teams, and rugby sevens.

i gave you the link where they explain their reasons,

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