Is it time to join Nato

"If NATO was really about the protection of people then Ukraine would have been in it"

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I've never seen this yoga pose before.

Francie, you dissapppoint me. You post something so contradictory, opaque and logically contorted to the point of meaninglessness. And then you scuttle off trying to pull rank as if you have some sort of special knowledge that the rest of us don't enjoy.

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Give a wild guess Francie. Mind you don't come across as a Putinpot in answering btw.

You're dancing on the head of a pin.

The only reason Poland hasn't been dragged into this war or indeed attacked and fatally undermined in the past by Russia is NATO. The threat of raw-brute iron, steel, and death from above for advancing Russian forces by the treaty alliance.

Weak-kneed hand wringing and sanctimony from political cranks living far across the other side continent doesn't wash with the democratic governments and peoples of Eastern Europe who want their rights, freedoms and sovereignty preserved from an irredentist nationalist Russia who for a long time have threatened to undermine and destroy the democratic gains since the fall of the Berlin Wall. You didn't believe the warnings about Putin then, and you plug your ears to them now.

As you go to sleep tonight in your Moscow Mick jim jams and proceed to count shirtless Putins jumping over fences, you can thank NATO you'll wake up under a sky where a treaty alliance you decry protects the citizens of Europe and our political partners in the EU that we rely on for our wealth and wellbeing as a nation from a further expansion of this war. I'm not shy to say I'm glad of that fact, but you're slow to admit it's a hard reality.

You can giggle, prevaricate and float silly bad-faith questions on forums all you like, but the next time you look a Polish person in the eye, know that their relatives and friends in Gdansk, Wroclaw and Lublin sleep sounder and enjoy the freedom from fear because of their membership of NATO - a freedom that has been brutally stolen from the people of Ukraine by an autocrat you're being very slow to condemn and assign blame to for the current horrific circumstances if we're to be honest about things.

Europe has learned an important lesson in the past few months: When an autocrat with a standing army speaks of irredentist desires and starts unsheathing his sword in the pursuit of those desires, you best believe what he says.

And a second-order lesson is that home-grown enablers and apologists of these autocrats in Europe should be banished even further to the political fringes of public life on our continent. Their brains are mush, and they have nothing to add to our democratic well-being and understanding of what makes our societies tick. They're fifth columnists who should have their bank accounts pored over by prosecutors and forensic accountants - because you can be damn sure a lot of them have taken dirty money over the years. It's the nihilists and sad acts who do the cheer-leading for free that I really feel sorry for.

You will be waiting because it's a dumb question.

You're dancing on the head of a pin using a full-on paranoid Putinbot talking point that's one of the pretexts to the disgusting illegal war that is upending the continent.

Look at you, 8am on a Tuesday, probably before you even brushed your teeth "Anshur moi queshchun"

No Francie.