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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,589 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Eh sorry now but that’s uncalled for dont chute.

    Whoa. Patronising much??

    They are convenience store managers and staff, and the general public who shop at those stores. far from “morons”.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No, just people with different opinions and anxieties than you. We all have many such opinions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Now another call for the mask to be reintroduced.

    This is getting ridiculous now, just can't let it go.

    Leo himself yesterday said the numbers in intensive care are much lower than in January, half of those in hospital were there for something else entirely and therefore knock 50% of the numbers we are seeing, yet people are still panicking about the mask.

    Far more important things going on in the world than the fuckin mask.



  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Unions like making noise. It makes them feel relevant.

    Ms Ní Sheaghdha said there were 570 people on trolleys around the country yesterday, which she described as extraordinary and the equivalent of one full acute hospital.

    Well, no Phil, it's not. By your own organisation's data, 570 people on trolleys on the 2nd last Monday in March is bang on business as usual.

    2017: 531 on trollies

    2018: 500

    2019: 557

    (2020 & 2021 don't count for obvious reasons)


    Of course, "we have loads of people on trollies" isn't enough of a complaint to get yourself a full news article. It's not news.

    "We need to reintroduce masks". Now there's something to get Claire Byrne and Pat Kenny riled up about.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,117 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    They can't help themselves, its sad some people really want to go back to lockdown. Don't think they realise all of this has to be paid for! With everything going up now cause of the war too, there isn't a snowballs hope of another lockdown (unless a new seriously bad varient emerges).

    I'm waiting on the noise from the 'housing the ukranians' should be housing our own type to start, its the ukranians bringing it in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    "I love how the fact of only 49 in ICU is buried among the doomsday waffling."

    Buried? They've actually stated that that's the highest figure in almost a year. "Only"?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    49 isn't even the highest it's been this month, never mind a year.

    It's the indo, so it's terribly written. What they mean to say is that 1,308 in hospital is the highest it's been in over a year. But they're bad journalists, so accuracy isn't important.



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    49 in ICU is not the highest in almost a year, there were over 100 in ICU in December. The figure hospitalised is the highest in almost a year but half are incidental.

    If infection control measures are causing procedures to be cancelled then perhaps it’s time those infection control measures in hospitals were revisited. Isolation times for Omicron are too long in majority of cases.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,996 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Exactly - People need to realise now the problem isn't covid - the healthcare system is the problem. No way can we go into another lockdown purely because of pressure in hospitals. Government need to invest in the healthcare system asap to get over these issues.



  • Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Claire Byrne must be revelling in the increased numbers, due to interview Luke O'Neill shortly



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    As Seamus says, that's not even accurate this quarter, never mind this year.

    But yes... only 49. 49 in ICU out of a population of 5 million people is a tiny number. Let's not forget that nearly half of those in hospital "with Covid" are people who presented for treatment for something else, but then incidentally tested positive for Covid, or perhaps caught it while in hospital.

    Maybe if we stopped testing people who aren't sick with Covid symptoms, we wouldn't have some quarters claiming the sky is falling!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    There ye are now. I haven't been following the figures so I don't know what's 'good' or 'bad'. I took the article at face value when it said it was the highest figure in almost a year.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's the automatic conflation of the sensationalist 60k+ cases in 5 DAYS with numbers supposedly going badly south in hospital. Articles on this are just a simple jigsaw and could have been written by a ten year old.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Reassuring public response to that poll ^^^

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,860 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The problem is that in our clickbait, don't-read-beyond-the-headlines, kneejerk society, the call with be for the Government to DO SOMETHING (it's already started!) and potentially lead to us going backwards in terms of the restrictions.

    Thankfully (and surprisingly) the message from Leo and others seems to be that while they're monitoring the situation, they don't see a reason to reimpose restrictions at this time, but considering how many average Joe's and Mary's have been complaining about the "reckless non-maskers" for weeks now, it's an Oireachtas bill away from that position changing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Just did a quick scan of media sources and the main culprits here are the Indo and platform based media. Sure, that typical INMO rambling has been mentioned everywhere but that's extent of it for the IT and Examiner.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Why are people even mentioning lockdown on this thread? We are a million miles away from ever going there again. Strange.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,889 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Ya, I'd have to agree with another poster and say that those customers sound like idiots. Probably drive around in their car alone with a mask on too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,373 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Why were we there in the first instance?

    And second instance?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,117 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    I'm not mentioning it, I'm saying people out there are mentioning it, its bonkers to me, I'm out enjoying myself and getting on with things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,373 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    If anyone was in doubt about the Independent's and RTE's position on Covid, it's more or less stated on their websites today, they want mask mandates back asap.

    The Government need to stay strong on this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    They've literally reported what the head of the INMO said. While there's been questionable journalism over the last 2 years, if the head of a union, any union at that says something it usually makes the news. I don't know what you want them to do about that to be honest, not report it ?

    The articles already have comment from government as well,

    "At the moment there’s no public health advice being given to us that we should reintroduce masks or reimpose restrictions in any way, so, unless that comes we’re not going to do it and we don’t anticipate it,” Mr Varadkar said.

    The Tánaiste said it was always expected there would be an increase in cases once all restrictions were lifted and this will “fall off” over the next coming weeks"



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree with you, but we all know from the last 2 years once the pressure builds, it develops into a crescendo of noise unless another bigger news story comes along.

    I hope you’re right too and the government holds their ground, but we’ve been here before. It eventually leads to every person who wants to push their mask wants being aloud onto the airwaves with no opposition other than a government holding statement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭foxsake


    maybe not morons. but over emotional fools. the typical irish who think we should all behave a certain way due to their fear and anxieties.

    fcuk them , we had near 20 months of their panic merchant attitudes and look where it got us.

    there are 50 people in ICU and about 1000 in hospital - off which Paul Reid admits 50% are in for non covid aliments just happen to have it.

    perspective lost on some fools;



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Ah Luke, trying to spread panic that this is 30% more transmissible than its sister variant which was 70% more transmissible than the previous one..

    That masks still won't help fully but we should wear them. It's really gathering place again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    and like every variant we have had, the more transmissible the less deadly it is.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This is another annoyance - there’s started to be an acceptance that we’ll all get this, no matter what we do. So then why push the masks if we’re gonna get it anyway?



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