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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    But renewables by there nature are totally unreliable so we need our OWN backup and not be relying on anyone else. That is the crux of the matter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    😂😂😂😂 nothing was found!

    bar corrib, kinsale, ballycotton, seven heads.

    Ah come off it angel surely you know this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I think we could be wasting our time debating with the wall here.

    If angel can’t understand this and doesn’t know about the existing gas fields (not the first time this has been pointed out) then this is probably a waste of time 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Oh ffs And around and around we go.

    Whilst I bang my head of a wall- my advance apologies for the capitals. WE NEED NATURAL GAS TO HELP IN THE TRANSITION TOWARDS RENEWABLE ENERGY GENERATION.

    Seriously what's hard to understand? We need a safe, secure and dependable source of natural gas to do so. The UK gas pipeline does not provide that in the light of Brexit, the fact that North Sea gas reserves are in serious decline and whats going on in Europe with all the other EU countries looking to secure a supply of natural gas!

    If only there was one or more solutions!

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/over-reliance-on-uk-sourced-gas-supplies-could-lead-to-an-energy-catastrophe-by-2030-40913321.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    "We spent 50 years searching in Ireland, nothing was found"

    This is what I referred to as the issue with a unremitting stream of disinformation and misinformation being constantly posted by a few in this thread. What gives?

    That idea has already been pointed out as being completely false

    Natural gas exploration and finds since the 1970s. This has already been detailed many times.

    "Todate gas exploration licenses have been awarded at the Kinsale Head, Ballycotton, Seven Heads and Corrib fields. From 1978 to 1995, Kinsale Head along with Ballycotton and Sevens Head, supplied all of Ireland's gas. Corrib field contributed the equivalent of 50% of Ireland's gas consumption. In addition the finding of the Barryroe oilfield of Ireland’s South Coast has the potential to provide the 120,000 barrels of oil a day that Ireland consumes, and a proportion of the gas needed to generate about 60 per cent of its electricity. Current licences for exploration are held by Equinor and Europa Oil & Gas."



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    Offshore wind expansion moves a step closer.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In relationship to the recent discussions on peat extraction,the High Court has shut down a peat extraction operation. Hopefully the first of many closures




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    This ruling will likely block any peat extraction to build windfarms as well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    From the article it`s a minimum of two FG TD,s. But then you do have a tendency to be fast and loose with facts. Even when you are not ignoring them.

    In terms of not having an iota your posts are littered with examples.

    To mention just a few. You hadn`t an iota that the marginal model was how electricity charges were determined. With you avoiding the subject like the plague, I doubt you still have an iota even after it being explained to you. You haven`t an iota on what percentage of electricity is generated from renewables, claiming it was 69%. Just yesterday you showed you had not an iota on the Green Party proposed legislation to ban LNG, claiming it was because of fracked LNG. The proposed bill does not mention fracked LNG once. It is a proposal to ban LNG, and you have yet to give any kind of coherent answer as to the wisdom of the Green Party legislation that has banned all future issue of exploration licences when our own known natural gas fields will be depleted by 2025.

    The rest of your post is your usual ignoring of what I have told you quite a few times now, with you again just attempting to use deflection to cover up your own lack of knowledge or answering the question you have been asked.



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    The issue at hand was Harte didn't apply for planning permission and refused to do so due to the way he understood the requirements. Fair enough, the court has now clarified that permission must be applied for. If he wishes to resume extraction at that location he will have to apply for permission though its very unlikely he'd get it given the ruling and the judges comments.

    Any windfarms going into bogs require planning permission anyway so this ruling doesn't stop them from being developed.

    The biggest issues windfarms will have is in relation to subsidence, water course disruption etc, which all must be understood before any construction starts. As seen with the case of Derrybrien, where thats not done it causes problems and can result in windfarms getting shut down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How many times have I clarified this yet you come back with the same thing? I am talking about long term. The gas found will not provide long term. It is ridiculous this has to be clarified multiple times to the same poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Use all the capitals you want. It goes around and around and around in the same circle and still the penny hasn't dropped. I posted above what the option are. I cannot help you read and comprehend them.

    The same thing has been discussed 20 times, anyone try's to move on and it comes back to the same few posters who want to discuss the same thing.

    Kind of pointless calling the thread Green policies Should be just Green energy. Especially when the discussion is the same "what about gas" 🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    It is good to see we get another 3 paragraphs of a post. Nothing about the topic just a rant against a poster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    As you are well aware we are talking about a supply for the future. To quote yourself

    We need gas as backup until 2050.

    Corrib runs out in 2025.

    Unless you suddenly forgot that was discussion from your own post.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How are renewable totally unreliable? solar works every day. All year around even in the winter. Wind is blowing all the time, plus all the others. Wave etc

    If you google you will find hundreds of document/articles etc written to prove renewable can. Yet we want to ignore them to go on about gas. People are obsessed about gas because of the LNG plant in Kerry. If that was never in the news people would be waffling about nuclear. Not knowing anything about either of them,



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It looks like @paddyisreal has a much better understanding of Brexit in relation to the present crisis with natural gas than you do.

    Presently the E.U. is getting 40% of it`s natural gas needs from Russia. This supply is in danger of being cut off because of jingoistic nationalism on the part of Russia.

    With no natural gas supply of our own, and no means to source or own supplies of LNG we would be entirely dependent on the Moffat pipeline for natural gas. All our natural gas supplies would be coming via a country that is not just a non E.U. member, but one who left the E.U. for jingoistic nationalist reasons where recently their present Home Secretary solution to Ireland accepting their solution to a disagreement on the Northern Ireland Protocol, an internationally binding agreement, was to to starve us into submission.

    I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that arrangement.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,069 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Very much on topic imho. Not that it has changed your stock in trade of silly little replies attempting to ignore inconvenient facts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo



    You have continously posted misinformation that "nothing was found in the last 50 years" in relation to natural gas.

    This despite the fact that large finds of natural gas have been found and even more finds of natural gas remain untapped off the south coast. And no it doesn't have to "provide long term". It's to provide a safe secure and reliable source of natural gas during the period of transition to renewable energy generation and beyond.

    And yet you continue to deliberately try to claim otherwise. What gives? You've lost all credibility as a poster at this stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Yes fracking....as I posted look into the detail of what that means.

    You posted saying solar works 3 months a year. So sorry you lost all credibility after that

    Also it is a big difference between a few panels on a roof to a solar farm

    March and performance at the moment




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    You posting "options"(?) is meaningless, especially where what you have posted has shown to be complete rubbish.

    And the reason why the discussion is circling? Because of deliberate misinformation being posted again and again

    Every post leading up to your reply was about providing a safe secure and reliable source of natural gas in the period of transition to renewable energy generation. That hasn't changed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,279 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    I think your acting the maggot now. Can you guarantee wind will blow when we need it? Answer is no hence unreliable.

    Can you guanantee the sun will shine on the 20th of november this year? Answer is no hence unreliable

    Thats why we need gas,coal etc because guess what they are reliable and plug the massive hole in the drive for renewables



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    Is there any data out there on what gas reserves are still waiting to be tapped around the coast? Just wondering if what is there is even commercially viable.

    Ireland is known as a high-cost/high-risk when it comes to exploration so there would have to be a nice bit of meat on the bone for it to be worth while. Even our second most successful field, Corrib, looks like its only going to provide for around 10 years if estimates are to be believed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂 wow.

    Again corrib runs out in 2025.

    We will be reliant on gas coming via the UK from 2025 onwards until 2050.

    Do you agree with this statement?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Nope. Corrib finishes in 2025.

    I presume you would need exploration licences to look for what gas there may be, which the GP have banned of course.



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    Seven large offshore wind farms with capacity to power three million homes are set to be fast-tracked from this year under a new maritime regulation regime.


    Provided they meet planning, environmental and financial requirements, it brings the prospect of beginning to generate power from 2027 – supplying three gigawatts (GW) of renewable power to the grid.


    The big prize, Mr Ryan predicted, would come in the 2030s, “when we are generating the likes of 30 gigawatts of offshore wind ... The conversion of that to hydrogen through electrolysis increasingly is being seen as the solution which will allow us to have a modern economy, meet our climate targets and to have energy security.”


    As Ireland had the potential to generate 10 times current power needs, it could become a major exporter of hydrogen, he said.




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Currently there is at least one major untapped oil and natural gas field available

    Exploration in Ireland is undertaken by license. Companies undertake exploration based on a cost / value basis so where oil and gas prices are high internationally - exploration demands and value increase.

    In addition the finding of the Barryroe oilfield of Ireland’s South Coast has the potential to provide the 120,000 barrels of oil a day that Ireland consumes, and a proportion of the gas needed to generate about 60 per cent of its electricity. Current licences for exploration are held by Equinor and Europa Oil & Gas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Lots of graph information posted on the renewable energies forum makes no difference if you have a solar farm from derry do dingle or a few panels on your roof, return during winter months it's terrible. Tapers down to a low in December of a fraction of what it can produce in June July.


    The difficulty is that it's during these months in winter, is when consumption is highest. During summer, night and day can be balanced by a battery but winter months you will draw mostly from the grid


    There's actually a boards pdf file uploaded regularly with current ab past data with returns for each users systems all over the country



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,377 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Can equinor and europa carry out those exploration licences at the moment?

    If they found something worth extracting could that then be blocked under green legislation?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,049 ✭✭✭Mecanudo


    Mr Ryan in that interview is also on record claiming that and I quote

    He said that in his view, Ireland's greatest security comes from relying on its own resources "not on imports".

    And yet we have the same boyo rubbing his hands over stopping all future exploration for natural gas, effectively making us reliant on imports of natural gas. Hydrogen storage is still not viable and yet he's pushing it like it is.

    Does he actually expect the population of Ireland to swallow that level of nonsense?

    This website has a good breakdown of the state of play of the current offshore windfarns in devolment. For short to medium term electricity generation it's not looking good tbh




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