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The Healy Raes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Seriously? Do you also think it's ok for white people to use the 'n' word? Reclaimed words are a thing - it doesn't mean everyone gets to use the term.

    Reading further in that Indo article:

    When asked if Michael Healy-Rae understood that the use of such a term might seem offensive to gay people, he replied.

    “Absolutely not. No. And if anybody thinks I should apologise for it, not a hope in the world because I meant nothing by it."

    Not even an "I apologise if anyone was offended" non-apology tells you all you need to know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Ahh the Healy Rae clan. An embarrassment to the entire country



  • Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭BattleCorp1


    If I said nothing wrong and someone took offence, I woudn't apologise.

    People take offence nowadays for fcukall. If I said I had a lovely dinner, I'd be accused of being insensitive to people who had very little food FFS.

    If it wasn't meant to be offensive, and clearly most people can see that it wasn't meant to be offensive, then there's no need to apologise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Hold on a second, "White people and the N word"?

    That is on a completely different level. The word "Fairy" now is a word only homosexuals can use? Would you get a grip.



  • Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭French Toast


    Neither "Airy-fairy" nor "away with the fairies" are homophobic slurs. Anyone who describes them as such is being entirely melodramatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Storm in a teacup, can't believe people are giving this shyte oxygen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Varadkar outed him as a snob & owned him in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Ahh but these days anything minor happens and it is a huge storm. Its a couple of TD's having a little bit of a bicker, yet its the usual over the top reaction, outrage from a few

    Like the Healy Rae's?? these are the lads who said you can't drive into a puddle with an electric car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    When he turned his words back on him maybe. But taking offence to "Airy-Fairy" is ridiculous if that is what he was referring to.

    Leo referring to a straight man as a Fairy without any room for mistake could be deemed more offensive. Well, even if the person in question didn't or wouldn't take offence to it, it would still be more offensive than airy-fairies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    He didn't mention Airy-Fairy, he didn't mention anything he said.

    Just called him out as a snob and wiped the floor with him without the shouting, moaning, roaring and hysterics.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    This is it for me. I don't think MHR meant anything by it but he should acknowledge at the very least that it was a poor choice of words and apologise in that context.

    People make mistakes but it's important that those mistakes are put right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    He told him to reflect on what he said, and go off and think about it, impying that he said something wrong or offensive. But he didn't, in that particular conversation.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    He said 'go on away with the airy-fairies and see where that gets you' which is completely different to what you are implying that he said.

    Again I'll repeat, I think it was a clumsy use of words rather than anything intentionally offensive, but gay men were very often described as 'fairies' and if people want to put their heads in the sand about it that's their prerogative.

    However, do not try to act like MHR said something else when he didn't. He might of meant something else, but he fuddled his words and should at the very least acknowledge that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    But it isn't a poor choice of words. The phrase is well known and has been used for a long long time. The mistake was made by Leo attempting to imply something derogatory was meant or said. Can't have people calling out their own mistakes as offensive, there is enough of that crap as it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    From Leo's online Journal:

    I am living in Alexandria in Virgina in good ole Dixie. Colin and I share Kathleen Barger as our 'host Mom', he can have the two dogs to himself. Alexandria is a beautiful town and the living conditions are working out really well here. Alexandria is famous for having a shop which sells 500 different types of beer ice cold. Apart from that it's a bit of a Dawson's Creek minus the waco thirty-year olds taking about how teenage years are such a wonderful voyage of discovery. Yeah, where the acne Joshua Jackson ya big fairy.

    So is it okay that Leo used it referring to somebody, or does it not count because he said it ages ago?

    "go on away with the airy-fairies and see where that gets you'" is not in any way offensive, nor is the onus on the person who said it, to explain that. The person who took offense however is just stirring crap. Apart from throwing MHR's own words back at him he had no comeback so came out with that nonsense.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,699 ✭✭✭Glebee


    lol, Leo saw his chance here and grabbed it with both hands after MHR unfortunate turn of phrase. Dont think MHR ment anything offence by it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,564 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    One lad took another lad up the wrong way, happens all the time, no point making a big deal about it.

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,849 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    FG MEP's also using the phrase!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    They might not have book smarts but those Kerry hoors are smart, and probably a lot better off than you are.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Joe Duffy was getting his knickers in a twist about it earlier today. That guy is getting around 8k per week for stirring ****.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Oh I know, buying up houses from Nama during the recession. Hiding tax from the pub etc etc. The whole family on the payroll from the governement. Kerry Co Co which is run by the family the most corrupt in Ireland

    The list goes on....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,881 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    And Healy Rae will go off and reflect on it. He was well put in his place by Varadkar. About time people stood up to his bullyboy tactics, he'll get away with riding roughshod over the people of Kerry but he won't with everyone else he looks down on in the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    MHR may well be a bullyboy or whatever you want to call him, but I doubt very much he will be reflecting on anything. It is far more likely he will just be confused. Leo put nobody in their place in that instance. He just threw MHR words back at him. It's a tactic when you have nothing else to say. Teenagers often use it sarcastically.

    MHR called out Leo's arrogance, and Leo may have well said, 'You are'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This post is exactly the type of attitude that ensures that pejorative statements about various groups persist. Language needs to be understood in its context. A word used in particular way in a particular statement may not be offensive while in another context it may.

    Michael Healy-Rae did not use "airy-fairy" in its normal context. Instead, he told an openly gay man to "go on away with the airy-fairies and see where that gets you". A very clear reference to the use of fairy as derogatory to gay people. MHR probably thought he was being clever or funny. He wasn't.

    Yes, it is on the lighter side of homophobia, probably equivalent to the poster who named himself after the Taoiseach's partner, but like that reference, it is insidious and cynical, pretending to be something normal.

    So to finish up, the use by Leo is not comparable, does not make MHR ok with using it. That we need to explain that shows how far education about prejudice needs to travel in this country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,849 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Even the usual Twitter brigade couldn't see an issue with it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I have addressed that almost exact post in the other thread, and it's still so wrong it's laughable. Absolute horse manure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid



    The phrases "airy-fairy ideas" and "away with the fairies", meaning mad, are both well known phrases. Neither of those were the phrases used by MHR, though. "Fairy" as a derogatory term for a gay man is also well known. So either MHR meant to use a different phrase and mixed up his words - he has form for that, in fairness - or he was deliberately trying to goad Varadkar. A bigger man would have said "Yeah, sorry, I meant to say 'away with the tree huggers and see where that gets you'..." or whatever. Instead he's doubling down, and sure why wouldn't he. They'll love this down home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Yes. With the proper context and meaning. Adjective, as opposed to noun, to describe ideas.





  • Ridiculous, far more important things to be getting worked up over.

    Absolute nonsense stuff. Its clear in the context it was not a homophobic remark.

    This reflects badly on Varadkar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Airy Fairies is well known as well. There are companies named after them.

    I had to organise a life raft for a battle on the lakes, and that was run by the airy fairies, so for people to say what is the correct way to use such a phrase is bizarre, especially considering they choose to hear it as an offensive comment instead of how it was obviously meant.

    But as you said - , "away with the airy-fairies" which is very close to what he said, it wasn't a 'different' phrase, at worst it was a mixture of the two, at best it was what he meant. To say anything else is just looking to take offence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Rustyman101


    More woke shite from the perpetually offended ! Sweet Jesus you couldn't open your mouth these days without some group being offended! I've probably offended someone by stating this !

    I'll go and reflect.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    There are, indeed.

    It's a bit like if I call you Dick because you were christened Richard; or if I call you a dick because you're an assh0le.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭bmc58


    No news on the alleged Leo leak investigation still.Hmm maybe they will think it's forgotten about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Who Healy Rae? I doubt he cares about Leo and the investigation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    There are what? Not sure of that bit.

    But yes, it is similar to that but not quite the same. But that would also have to be implied by the way it would have to be said.

    It depends on the way it is said, and no matter what way you watch that video, you can see he doesn't mean it the way Leo tried to imply.

    In the same way as standing in front of meatballs or fire tinder and saying look at the ****, wouldn't mean I was pointing or looking at you, but said in such a way it could be assumed. Still doesn't mean you should automatically take offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    As I said already education in the use of language and appropriate context is badly needed in this country.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is not a homophobic slur. Varadker showing a complete lack of understanding of common rural idiom and reaching straight for that card. Pathetic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane


    Truth be told that was actually quite nasty from Leo, anyone with a semi functioning brain could tell there was no hint of homophobia in that comment, leo just saw a chance to twist words and trap him as being homophobic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,011 ✭✭✭bmc58


    I wouldn't say that.He might be smiling is Leo gets in a spot of bother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How? You do realise the both of them are probably sitting at the Dail bar right about now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    In was told today that the Healy Rays and indeed all the other landlords in the Dail will be helping with the Ukraine situation in helping with accomodation... Since they are fallowing Leo's lead the row mustn't be that serious... I think all the landlords in the Dail likely sign up...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Joe Duffy & Leo Varadkar are everything thats wrong with this country.

    How anyone would deem that a homophobhic slur is beyond me, have heard it countless times with regard to people being illogical or not making any sense/reason. Of course, Mr.Spin Varadkar will play it like this to deflect away from his own incompetence & his own parties confusing messages.

    He's meant to be our incoming Taoiseach & is still under criminal investigation. Says it all. I guess RTE as usual know who their paymasters are. It took how many counts (9 I think) to get elected even in his own constituency,

    No fan of the Healy Raes btw either but this is complete nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,400 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Yes, common rural idiom, what rubbish is that?





  • Jesus wept, this is a load of airy fairy guff.



  • Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a turn of phrase and accent that is complete opposite of the harsh new dub accent. The older dub accent was a thing of beauty too but has been replaced with an awful nasal drawl and limited vocabulary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    How is this spin from Leo? Please explain how this video is doing anything to help FG and Leo deflect away from the government?

    It is doing the opposite and the usual are.....just read your post. The people running around sharing this and crawling the web are not FG supporters or government supporters who couldn't care less what the latest rubbish the Healy Rae clan are up to



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭NSAman


    Leaky put no one in his place.

    Healy Rae was 100% correct in what he said to him. Leaky is "airy fairy". For leaky to take this as a slur, shows just how out of touch with reality he really is. Healy Rae was elected immediately, Leaky was elected on the third or fourth count. HR was correct that Leaky looks down on him.

    it was childish in the extreme for Leaky to use the "spin" around method of deflection completely i.e. Take what I said and say exactly the same thing back.

    How the hell we ended up with Leo I do not know. He has shown himself to be untrustworthy,willing to use anyone (friends) and throw them under the bus, sieve-like with confidential information, a person dependent on PR instead of facts and slippery/slimey. Hey I suppose that is Irish politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,789 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭jimwallace197


    Do you know what he was being questioned about? Dont reply to my post until you actually understand this.

    It helps Varadkar & Fine Gael because it appeals to the LGBT, woke, perpetually offended community not to mention the victimhood brigade. This greaseball of a Tanaiste has made a career out of appealing to people like this. What has he ever achieved in his political career, hes a complete charlatan & a fraud. When hes under pressure like this, he looks to deflect in anyway possible, just like his predecessor, the clown from Mayo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Another faux outrage rant

    Seriously do you honestly think this is just the latest in the faux outrage form a certain cohort of people?

    Next week it will another rant about outrage about something else. Time to grow up people.



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